Congratulations Sean, Nick, Mark and Andrea
August 30th, 2007
And now the final round of voting - for the Overall PBC Poster of the Year
As it turned out the voting in three of the four categories was pretty clear-cut. Sean Fear, who starting posting on PBC in the summer of 2004, has built up a loyal following from people of all allegiances and his overwhelming victory in the Tory section was probably quite predictable. Well done also to David Herdson who came second and joins Sean in the final.
Another very long-standing poster who first came here in 2004, Nick Palmer MP, had an overwhelming victory in the Labour section - a tribute to the contributions he has made over the years and the manner in which he enters into debate. There’s been a closer contest for second place with HenryG, who has provided good betting information on Labour, just pipping another long-standing poster, Roger, into the second place slot.
The Lib Dem race has been the most exciting with Mark Senior securing the victory but not by that big a margin over Stodge. Both go into the final round.
And in the specialist section it had to be Andrea from Milan who has an extraordinary knowledge of British politics and can answer almost anything that’s flung at him in seconds. In second place was a relative newcomer, Peter the Punter, whose good solid advice on betting matters and the generally civility he displays have made him a key member of the PBC community. I very much value the way Peter calms things down when discussions get out of hand.
So now the final. I go on my holidays tomorrow morning and voting will continue for at least twenty four hours (1830 BST Friday) until I can get to a computer with internet access. That could be Saturday. Joining the race this evening are JackW and SeanT. Best of luck to everybody.
Mike Smithson
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…. and its JackW off to an early lead with 2 votes
I’ve voted for Jack W. Peter would get my 2nd vote. Anyone want to give me odds on SeanT winning?
Good luck to you all
Enjoy the holiday Mike, and thanks for organising all this for us.
Did the brown envelope arrive OK?
I’ll take 3/1 SeanT if someone will oblige.
Fascinating to watch the votes as they come in. Makes things much more interesting.
Andrea, JackW & Sean Fear neck and neck at the mo….
Oh my God, I would like to thank all people who supported me. I’m proud of your support and of your confidence to have put your faith in me. I would also like to thank my agent for all its hard work. This is also for you.
I would like to thank my staff too…my hairdresser, my make up artist, my wardrobe man, my press officer, my gym trainer (you know all political info you can get in a gym…), my rent-boy, my waitress…without you, I could have not made it…
(little tear…putting my hand on my chest like Meryl Streep in all her dramatic scenes) Thank you again…
I see that despite my best efforts ColinW has been eliminated in the first round. I suppose I was up against insurmountable odds, and consider the fact that I have saved his deposit a worthy achievement. Don’t spend it all on Smirnoff will you Colin.
By the way, for anyone who took up my cricket tip on the previous thread – England are 0-1.
Damn i wanted to vote seant but misread the box and voted sean fear - Can i still be a member of the master race, SeanT?
With Roger, unfortunately, eliminated I’ve transfered my vote to Sean Fear.
Good luck to everyone.
Also many thanks to the 5 (I think it was) people who actually voted for me in the Conservative poster contest - despite the fact that I’m not even, on my own definition, a true Conservative as such. Although I got a nice kick from seeing my name on the ballot I decided not to give myself my own vote.
6 Andrea. The mafia haven’t won it for you yet ……. and yes I like the odd horse head !!
If Nick Palmer MP wins today, will the last person to leave Politicalbetting.com - please turn out the lights?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/71/Sunkinnock.jpg
7 Cerrig - You are a star.
Your Colin W posts were some of the funniest I’ve ever read on this site.
And it looks like you could be spot on with your cricket tip.
Shame you did it all too late for the nominations.
(Hey, what do you think of all that insincere, toadying tosh from that Italian chappy? Disgraceful, eh? Won’t work though. PB punters far too smart to fall for that line.
)
I see you’ve now voted PtP
And in the specialist section it had to be Andrea from Milan who has an extraordinary knowledge of British politics and can answer almost anything that’s flung at him in seconds.
Unless you ask it in Italian!!!
:lol: 
SeanT appears to have missed thew break and is 4 lengths off the pace so my request to back him is cancelled.
12. I’m glad you liked the ColinW posts. I wish I had the guts to post them under my normal name! Thought better of it in the end.
I could happily vote for any of the finalists, but am currently leaning towards SeanT. However, I shall wait and see how the voting goes before committing myself.
England 14-2!
This looks like a great race with JackW, Sean Fear and Andrea all within a whisker of each other.
It’s going to be quite hard to call.
JackW easing 2 lengths clear now….
Those Bank of Scotland 5ers clearly circulating well among the voters
6 after such a sincere and heartfelt speech I don’t see how anyone could vote for any of the other candidates - especially as Roger was eliminated.
Jack W’s polling station tellers prepare for the election :
http://www.filmreference.com/images/sjff_03_img1104.jpg
7 Cerrig any views on this discussion:
219 Firstly I think miniscule chance of 2007 election for reasons Mr Smithson has given ad nauseam but as you ask…
Agree Cardiff North. But Montgomeryshire? Glyn Davies would put a large dent in Lembit’s majority but even he admits an election this year would give him nowhere near the time needed to build any sort of momentum.
Vale of Glamorgan. Hm toughie I thought the Conservatives beat most predictions by nearly taking this in May. However John Smith is Lib Dem like in his limpet tendencies would be knife edge struggle. I actually think the Tories would find CW&PS easier given their strength in that area and the resuls from May.
Labour Blaenau Gwent. Don’t know. If an election was held this year GB would hold it only because he thought he was certain to win. Blaenau Gwent therefore may very well stay loyal to the Law faction. I actually think he’d be under more threat in a close election nationally.
Plaid Ynys Mon most likely if they can squeeze others. They’ll make progress in Llanelli, but if it’s 2009 or later they may just give Ms Griffith a run for her money perhaps just perhaps. Ceredigion. Before the deal I felt yes. After I think the Lib Dems will find it easier to rally support particularly from Plaid/Lib Dem waverers. They fight hard anyway. Not to say Plaid couldn’t win but Mark Williams has a much bigger fighting chance now
For same reason I now think the Tories should have little problems in Aberconwy
Lib Dems. Concur although they shuld make progress along the M4. If 2009 or later keep an eye on Swansea West and especially now Newport East
by Punter August 28th, 2007 at 8:44 am
Punter,
I agree with your longer term view for Plaid in Llanelli (and would also add Neath a few years later).
I am not sure whether LDs can maintain their momentum in Swansea West or Newport East though…..they seem to have shot themselves very badly in the foot in the WA coalition negotiations, which will have set them back
by penddu August 28th, 2007 at 12:29 pm
223 TBH Most voters have short memories of these things, it’s Plaid who are taking the bigger risk in Aberconwy and Ceredigion on this. Swansea West you maybe right. They need to get their act together. Unbelievable they let Labour select before them. However two caveats one Labour’s choice offers some easy targets and PC they let themselves be hyped up in May and fell flatter on their faces there than the Lib Dems. So if the Lib Dems do get their act together it’s unlikely that’ll have any other competitors to Labour. Neath we’ll see. I’d have wanted to see greater progress in May to bank on that.
But Newport East easily their best performance of the night. Ironically if they’d won MG would have been out. Both they and the Tories performed strongly in Newport. Assuming no GE the same day next year I think Labour will take a big hit in the Council Elections from both. Like Llanelli for PC. Big ask in one go but definitely one to watch medium term. In terms of momentum Newport as a whole is clearly shifting from being monolithically Labour in both seats, to something in the West that the Tories and in the East Lib Dems may have hopes for even outside 1983 type years for Labour
by Punter August 28th, 2007 at 12:44 pm
Have a good holiday Mike
Seems to be a problem back at the start with Stodge refusing, while PtP seems to have acquired a cornering syndrome from Mighty Fella, a handicap in a race with so many right and left turns…
16 Post them under your own name, Cerrig? Good grief - are you mad?! The man’s a toxicologist for heavens sake!
At least everyone as at least 1 vote so won’t end up like the Conservative council candidate in Sedgefield in May .
I voted for seanT - where would we be without him - like stjohn, my runner up was PtP.
35-3 Cerrig!
Sean T making up ground from the rear to get to the hEels of the leading pack.
Congratulations to those who got through and many thanks to those who voted for me, frankly it would have been a travesty if Stodge hadn’t been in the top two so I’m happy to have come a valiant third. Commiserations to the others who just missed out too - Benedict, Roger and Chris (from Paris), exalted company indeed.
My vote went to PtP, this is a betting blog and he is pre-eminent amongst us in that field.
I’ve just voted for Dubya - but the field contains many a class act.
It’s a real shame we didn’t have ‘most tragic poster’ as a category. The thought of the Professor going head to head with Snowflake5, ColinW, the Herbert Proper collective, francis and JohnLoony would have been a great spectacle.
26 Sweet of you, PfP, but what the f**k use is that?!!
Have you any idea how much money I’ve poured into this campaign?
31….and that’s all the thanks I get for the multiple votes I cast in your favour in the earlier round!
What an outstanding field! I’m genuinely at a loss to know who to vote for. Andrea Jack SeanF PtP Nick Palmer Mark Senior…..Everyone of them are quite different, unique and excellent posters. I think I’m going to have to wait and make sure my vote isn’t wasted
I an behind JackW!
27. May be worth covering off the initial punt with a back bet on England, and then sit back and watch the match.
21. Punter, yes, I’ll post later.
cachu!
PS. I agree with PtP. Where have you been hiding Cerrig? Really funny
33 Well I paid you enough, didn’t I?
You want more, Peter the Penniless of Putney?
Votes for sale.
I have a crack team of useless students who like rigging votes by bloc voting.
Their services are available at a price.
I pay them in money off Buckfast vouchers…
So, the winner will be the person who has the most votes whenever Mike next logs on??? This variable, in itself, could become an issue if the race remains tight.
I really think we need a set-in-stone finishing time for this.
pity we don’t have an STV election
39 You have my email address, Yokel?
40 Nah…more bribery and corruption, that’s what we need, Steven.
I got no chance otherwise.
42. I just have to get them out of the pub…
I assume Cantor sorted you ok?
I’m already suffering pangs of guilt when I remember who organised the last hugely successful pb.com party and who will doubtless be organising the next one - yes, let’s hear it for PtP!
Have I ever mentioned before what a fine upstanding and thoroughly all round good egg Yokel is ……. well i should have !!
By the way what happened to that batch of missing postal votes?….
Sean Fear powers through the course
http://tinyurl.com/2zd8hk
while SeanT (and daughter) take the more leisurely approach
http://tinyurl.com/2d5uhb
44 They did in the end thanks, Yokel. Talk about unreliable though. The snotty kid I spoke to said he would have to speak to a dealer and then call me back. An hour later, no news, so I phoned them again. He’d sodded off to lunch, never mind about my bet. I went apesh*t. Anyway, that got me onto somebody with an IQ in excess of 2.5 and he figured out that the problem was I had managed to ‘overcommit’ without them noticing and my account was on a red alert. Soon sorted by a quick transfer of funds and luckily the price hadn’t moved, so no harm done, but what sort of people they employing there? They want lunch breaks?
Jeez, it’s enough to make a man vote Tory.
Btw Yokel, don’t worry too much about getting the boys from Belfast to stuff the ballot box. I put an advert up on the big screen at The ‘Stow. When they pile out of there about 11 tonite, I should be home and hosed.
Thanks all the same.
Look lads if you’d given me more time I could have popped across to my old stomping ground of West Belfast and had a chat with the local MP.
He could have mobilised everything needed..would have been a walkover then. I mean he had the dead voting for him…..
46. Go on ya chancer…..
45 That’s a bit more like it PfP!
That’s the kind of bulls*it I pay you for!! Go to it.
50/51. How spooky was that conincidence that you should mention that just as I did.
Poster of the year has to be Sean T. He very often makes black appear white and agree with him or not, you have to read what he says.
33. Might I suggest that you give all those you’ve named an equal number of votes - and vote for me instead!
when is this mutual love in going to stop??
56. When there are no more votes to be won and the recriminations start?
55 How rare. A David Herdson post I disagree with.
I must say the remarkably restrained and uncompetitive nature of this is a sight to behold…..
By the way there should be a victory speech which must have the following standard politicians vocabularly in it….
Radical
New
United
Reach Out
Discredited
Lurch to the Right
Old Labour
Tinkle….
56 When my nose can’t get any browner.
61 PtP. That hardly seems medically possible !!
51 O/T Is it true there was tactical Unionist voting when Hendron won in 1992. Did the tallies support that. I hear the atmosphere at the count was absolutely chilling
Just a note in case anyone is interested that I have taken advantage of the very reasonable offer on the poll results page for “Government-approved deed poll” applications for £23. My name is now Sean Fear.
94-5 !
61 You’d be surprised, Jack.
Anyway, let’s not take this too seriously. I don’t mind finishing behind you…as long as I’m not downwind.
65 PtP. No no …. now my dozen votes from north of the border are in, I’m sitting back and watching the hacks fight it out !!
Toss you for the wooden spoon ??
Congratulations to Andrea and Peter for winning the category. There was never any doubt and I’m more than honoured to have finished third, especially because my next national election to comment on this site will be held in 2012!!
15 stjohn - the way the voting is panning out, you may come to regret withrawing the 3-1 odds you sought on seanT
66 Sorry Jack, but I’m a bit fussy who I toss with…
OT: A Very interesting editorial in the New York Times yesterday, about the disparity of economic growth over the last 6 years since the recession in the USA:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/29/opinion/29wed1.html
A sobering tale for those who still think that growth at the top end and “trickle-down” actually happens….
Andrea and Jack even money-SeanFear and Nick P 2-1. 5-1 bar
66 Straight off the wire from the course a pic of you and PtP making your feelings known about Sean Fear’s lead
http://tinyurl.com/2u364y
I’ll get Groucho’s to switch off their wi-fi. That should spike SeanT’s vote stream
72. LOL!!!
I wanted to vote for Martin Day but it appears he is not on the ballot.
So voted for SeanT instead.
71 Roger. With odds like that you’d have to flog the estate en Francais !!
75. A reasonable alternative Ave it.
I saw a car with the number plate AVE IT the other day. Not yours I hope?
77 - NO.
Roger and I agree aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
71. Two at even money, a 2/1 and seven other runners - not exactly much value there Roger!
75. Great, i obviously don’t “stick down your throat!”
SeanT all the way.
Funniest poster here
110-5
Cerreg, you grow more beautiful by the wicket.
81.:lol:
:lol: (Machine Gun fire for SeanT) 
:lol: 
Wait till it settles down. The riff raff dissapear to the pub about now and the discerning voters will then show up before a late bite at the Ivy……
82. Six down now - Shah’s out.
111-6 eng vs india
Cricket = shyte.
Glad Collingwood is showing some fight.
Put Flintoff on a pedalo now
70. Very interesting reading. Hard to explain why it is happening though.
Particularly relevent when one thinks of Cameron’s response last night, when asked about inequality, he said that people are only concerned with the gap between those in the middle and those at the bottom. I’d beg to differ Dave.
“Roger and I agree aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!”
(I was trying to insult them both!)
62. Yep and I was one of those tactical voters…the 11/8 with Sean Graham bookies for Hendron was rather nice too.
In Unionist parts of West Belfast, which arent many, it was well known that there was a push to vote Hendron. It wasn’t as if anyone actually came to the door and ’suggested’ it. On the other hand it may have caused Hendron problems subsequently in that some nationalists subsequently took their votes away from him and Adams got in next time around. I’m not sure how much of that was because of the nature of Hendrons win in 1992 (some felt it was a loyalist paramiliatry inspired vote which is not really the case though they did think it was a good move to oust Adams) or his attempts to actually reach out and be a proper MP for both sides. Probably though the more mundane fact is that Sinn Fein were just growing anyway and had an immense focus of their machine on West Belfast.
The remarkable thing was how many unionist voters stayed with Hendron to the end of his electoral career.
89 back to normal
:lol:
Thought you were going to the pub (’riff raff’?)
79 Yes, I make that about an 80% overround. No wonder he can afford to live in Villefranche.
And he expects to be paid for running my campaign?
“immense focus of their machine” did you mean to add gun to that bit? Probably helped explain some their early electoral appeal. Is it true they regarded the SDLP as such a threat they considered getting rid of Hume himself at one time or another
113 - 7 !!!
Cerreg for PB Poster of the Year!!!!
Andrea,
David Herdson
HenryG
JackW
Mark Senior
Nick Palmer MP
Peter the Punter
Sean Fear
SeanT
Stodge
Well done all. And deserved. Sad not to see Roger or Snowy in there, but got to go with the votes, with seanT and JackW’s welcome inclusion.
And I proud to be clutching my Labour wooden spoon- very handy for cooking.
I am not touting for anyone because I am sure that is the kiss of death- sorry Roger. But I have voted for my favourite- the gent, arbiter, voice of reason, and overall good egg of pbCOM- just beating the whiskey, addled geriatric Lord, the maverick polemecist, and the Italian by a whisker- perhaps though I will be able to vote for them tomorrow.
Good luck all. Must say it is very exciting- your new voting technology Mike is a triumph
95 Tyson. I prefer Mike’s earlier North Korean model ….. voting would have finished after the first two votes !!
The count of tonight’s Epping Forest byelection where BNP is defending a seat can be seen live!!
http://www.eppingforestdc.public-i.tv/site/player/pl_compact.php?a=10396&t=&m=wm&l=en_GB
I have just been informed that I was a candidate in the recent Elections. I suppose I was some sort of Paper Candidate (Pixel Candidate?) but in any event I did not campaign.
And yet I lost to Colin W. Have you any idea how depressing that is?
What have I done to offend you lot? You utter, utter, bastards. My political career is in ruins.
97 Andrea. Curses !!!!! You’ve been holding that one up your sleeve all day !!
98 No excuses, Carp. Mike accepts Paypal.
88. I posted on a similar subject a couple of days ago. I think Cameron has it partly right. Most people compare how they’re doing against other people they know - for example, at work or socially. The vast majority of people will therefore fall into the middle or lower groups.
At the top end, I’d suggest that many people won’t object to those that have earned great wealth - the likes of Alan Sugar or Richard Branson are obvious examples. The super-high earnings of entertainment stars probably causes more resentment. On some measures, they’re obviously grossly overpaid: £5m a year to kick a football around? On another, it’s easy to see how they earn it - the clubs’ incomes are fairly transparent and there are not that many people to distribute it to. The same goes for those at the top end of the music or film industries.
Where I think there are most legitimate grounds for objection are the continued increase in the pay of company executives and directors over and above average earnings, where productivity or earnings are not increasing at a commensurate rate, and where there is no similar increase in risk.
Those who are being rewarded with these increases will no doubt say that there are lots of independent reviews recommending them, which is true - but the membership of them is mainly made up of members of the same set of people. In effect, they’re all reviewing themselves, which is not all that independent. These increases feed through to others in comparable jobs in the public sector - GPs, MPs, senior council officers and so on.
Going back to my first point, these are the people that the majority of the public see getting the big pay awards. Not many people know pop stars or footballers; most working in medium or large organisations do know and meet people earning in the £100k bracket. Unlike the entrepreneurs, it’s not always obvious what they add to an organisation to justify the pay rises over and above that which ‘ordinary’ employees, yet the ’system’ continues to generate them.
Quite how this can be addressed isn’t obvious. Perhaps it’s a natural part of the business cycle and a downturn will shake things out; perhaps it’s a natural part of globalisation. Whatever, it’s something worth looking into as it is a possible source of future stress within society.
99. Jack, ah, no, I just read it on vote2007 5 minutes ago and I thought some would have been interested.
2006 result was:
BNP 37.64
Residents Association 29.14%
COn 16.4%
Lab 13.15%
LD 3.63%
BNP can lose it even if they keep their vote as they won it last timn with jyust 37/38% if Con and Lab tactically vote for the Residents Association
98 Augustus. Indeed the Mark Oaten of PB !!
102 Epping? That’s near me.
Lot of inbreeding in Epping.
You Gov poll due
104. Peter, Loughton Alderton ward.
106 Know it well. Bandit country.
103 Well that settles it! I am certainly not going to vote for Jack Dubya! How do I spoil my ballot without damaging my computer?
102. Been a big spat in the letters page of local paper in recent weeks between the LRA and BNP. Handbags at 10 paces really. LRA are not that strong in Debden (where the election is taking place), but as you say they may attract votes from the Tories and Labour.
Can’t believe that Labour are so low. They used to hold all the Debden seats comfortably. It’s not the kind of area where I imagine Cameron going down very well, so don’t expect much increase in the Tory vote.
May well see the LRA scrape it as the ‘anyone but BNP’ party.
63 Thanks for the tip Mr Fear, I too have decided to take advantage of this low cost change of identity and with effect from tomorrow I will be known as Nick Palmer MP (my surname is pronounced “empee”). A new name with maybe a new job, preferably with lots of perks.
104. Watch it cockney barrow boy!
Evening all
I’m delighted to be in such august company in the final ten. I wish all the others well and thank Mike for organising this election which I’m sure would pass muster with any UN inspector.
My guess is that HenryG and I will be scrapping for the spoon of wood. When I finished last in a golf tournament once I was awarded a large plastic spoon - good for ice cream not much use for anything else
And so we await the arrival of YouGov’s latest offering (plus the Loughton by-election of course).
111 No offence, Ian. Didn’t have you in mind, of course. Were it not for you and people like you, the area would be truly bereft. It’s wonderful that you stay there and raise the tone of the place.
I am full of admiration.
You voted yet?
Come on England. Keep fighting!
113. Sadly not my ward. Know it well though. Not much of a choice, BNP and LRA. Or the Animals and the Vegetables as I believe they are known.
108. You vote for someone else, of course. Perhaps someone who has provided insight, profound analysis, good sense and decency - while at the same time being more than capable of humour, one-liners and general silliness. Someone like Peter, for example.
108 Gus, you got a spare vote?
‘Ow much you want?
I’ll give you a quid.
Well done and good luck to all the finalists, PB.com at its best.
Excuse me, but there’s some political news that will have an impact on the betting market:
YouGov as reported in the Telegraph:
Labour 41 (n/c)
Tories 33 (+1)
LibDems 14 (-2)
Much the same pattern as ICM, then - Labour unchanged, Tories marginally up, LibDems squeezed, same YouGov effect as last month of not adjusting for voting certainty.
101 David
It’s a good question and deserves a sensible reply from a thoughtful person, but tonite you’ll have to make do with me.
It was put to me recently by an astute management consultant (yes they do exist) that the last hundred years or so of advanced capitalism had seen the gradual reduction in the price of goods through the application of competition and modern management techniques. In short, we good at making things, and distributing them, cheaply and efficiently.
In the service sector, the same process has barely started. I am beneficiary of this failure. I charge huge amounts for giving dodgy advice (not tips…although I do that too..but in tax). It’s practically impossible for anybody to judge the merit of what I do or put a price on it. You can doubtless think of many service activities where the same applies.
It’s really a management problem, although obviously it becomes political when manifest unfairness on a large scale is perceived by large sectors of the population.
Sorry, no answers, but perhaps a different angle on an old problem.
Have a feeling that YouGov and ICM/Populus could be irrevecably split for quite some time now.
The old internet vs traditional methods debate died for a while when they were all consistently within a margin of error of each other. Not any more…
119 - looks like LD all over now
112 stodge. I’ll eventually be joining you and the good HenryG for the said spoon as my voters in the central belt have voted and I’m now relying on the Shetland Islands for a triumphant last gasp win !! …. Hmmmmmm.
Yokel, re several threads back. Alan Campbell is doing very well. He won his heat, got beaten by the world champion New Zealander in his quarter final, won his semi final today in a time faster than said New Zealander and the final’s on Saturday at 1125 if you wish to cheer him on to a hoepful gold medal. What I find strange is the way people from over there chop and change. I presume if he was slightly less good and didn’t get the nod for the GBR team he could simply decide to row for the IRL one - or is that something that no Unionist would do?
Shame there’s no betting markets in rowing I could provide ome very good inside information.
124 Ooooppps I forgot Corby doesn’t vote until the morning, so there’s still hope.
124 In all honesty Jack, should somebody of your great years actually be taking part in a stressful contest of this kind? I mean look what this sort of thing has done to young Ming, and him only 35?
Go back to the Home, Jack, ask Matron to make you a nice Bournevita, and tell your many loyal supporters to switch to a man of similar sensibilities to yourself, but younger, and more virile.
Somebody like…well modosty prevents me…but do the right thing, Jack. It’s what the Great She Elephant would want.
125. Sure one of his old schoolmates rows in one of the Irish team, another rows for for one the GB teams.
I suspect his preference was made easy. The GB team got him first.
127 PtP. As the “Great She Elephant” said :
I fight on … I fight to win !!!!!
If that poll was taken after the Rhys Jones murder and the gun crime debate, then the Tories will be worried.
I feel sorry for the Telegraph, (almost) they switched from Gallup to Yougov, because Gallup were producing stonking great Labour leads, and Yougov weren’t, who will they switch to now? Couldn’t go for ICM the Guardian have them!
October the 25th looking good!
Why is Gordon Brown now sounding like Barry White?
130 “October the 25th looking good!”
Certainly is - it’ll be my grandad’s 80th birthday…
Anthony King’s analysis of the poll
http://tinyurl.com/2k5gnc
133:
Was King drunk when he penned that? A dreadfully written piece.
134. Agree it was awful!
He says the survey was “Taken before Mr Cameron’s fightback on crime and immigration” does anybody know exactly when?
IN-GER-LAND!
Knew we would win
Super Conservative
The video coverage of Epping Forest byelection has started…votes not arrived yet though…
I see England have somehow managed to win the ODI. Still, if you layed them at 1.21 as suggested there were plenty of opportunities to trade in and out, and build up an all green position.
134 Stark. Agreed. Not the most fluent piece.
However the political thrust of King’s analysis is pretty spot on. As with the ICM poll it’s as you were and that with all the recent headlines is very poor for the Conservatives and hardly surprising for the invisible Lib Dems.
…………….
Another vote, the Shetlands have polled !!
what is the colour of Residents Assic rosettes in Epping Forest?
India has technically skilled bowlers and batsmen (aka the test matches). But somehow, their ODI team seem to fail miserably under pressure. Sad
(being indian).
Labour are not at 41%, that’s simply insane, yougov, follow trends but their trends seem to be exaggerated.
If that poll was taken before the, ‘fight back’ then there is a chink of light for the Tories, but its not looking good. The next set of polls are crucial, if Labour maintain their lead, an autumn election is on the cards.
They’re waiting for the second box…
Andrea - where are you watching this? Or have you managed to get some direct feed to Italy from English local elections now - the power and influence of PB.COM!
144. James:
http://www.eppingforestdc.public-i.tv/site/player/pl_compact.php?a=10396&t=&m=wm&l=en_GB
That is great! Thanks Andrea.
The article was clearly very unfluent, rushed and over dramatic. Not what I would expect from Anthony King
A little objectiveness is needed!
I find it difficult to believe for one minute that the Lib Dems are as low as 14% or will poll that as low as that in a GE. The Lab lead is now 8% down from the 10% recorded last time and it appears was taken BEFORE the recent crime headlines. Taking in account Yougov and ICMs differences in methodology the changes form the respective last polls are similar.
As I said in an earlier post I reckon its very unlikely Brown will get an increased majority, we are seeing a polarisation of votes in the north and south which is bad for Brown - it could lose him his majority and bad for Cameron in getting one!
Hilarious - its not exactly bustling with activity!
But I have little doubt when the vote begins we will feel part of the this little moment of history.
96- Jack W- we must of course be more democratic in here on pbCOM- I would say at least we should have waited for the first 3 votes to come in before we declared the victorious winner.
Opening the box…
Is the 10 years old girl the Labour teller?
They have a commentator - Epping Forest Council should get an award. They better leave a gap for us to see the votes being counted.
112- stodge- my wooden spoon has already been put to wonderful effect- an excellent chilli
Do we get any other polls tommorow?
150 - exciting isnt it LOL
Hope Ratepayers win
150 - see Andrea is gaining ground following his analysis/commentary of the by election…….
155 Jeez, it’s duller than Big Brother at 3am.
Back on tonights votes- things may look bleak for sean fear. Tory voters always go out early, so it looks like some of the outliers will start coming through. HenryG and Stodge- all is not lost!!
147 RugbyTory. From what I can see the poll was taken earlier in the week at the height of the crime stories but before the “Cameron fightback”.
No more polls tommorow.
Can somebody tell the lib dem front bench that there’s thing called television and they should try to got on it a touch more. A rather depressing 14%, I know it’s Yougov but still.
156 Oh, Yes. Andrea just experienced a little surge.
And I’m creeping up behind Jack!
Come one, tellers, start a fight between you!
Are any of the parties looking as though they have the smile of victory yet?
163. No, they’re falling asleep too
Aren’t they allowed to speak?
Oh, I’m forgetting. This is Epping. Not many with the power of speech in Epping.
BNP tellers confronting results..
I think Ming popped up for a bit on the news the other day. And Nick Clegg with a speech on soemthing or other.
14% really is dire, even for yougov! Still, v hard to believe though
Ahh that camera angle change too me by surprise - they clearly know how to keep people engaged - its like a movie! I am expecting the slow-motion and special effects soon.
161 PtP. “Creeping” being the operative word !!
That cough was exciting…..
“That cough was exciting….. ”
The BNP cough?
169 Sorry Jack, but I can’t help but be fascinated by your ARSE.
I think it was BNP. Red, blue, white rosette?
171 Do you think it was a happy, or disappointed cough?
Is the woman with red jacket afraid they would stole her handbag? She keeps it so next to her body…
They are counting the piles - will we be having a recount?
174 - think they are going to lose!
I think LDs are below their you gov rating
The second box is open…
Its the only thing with viewing figures lower than BBC24
176 That’s disgusting. They are surely not going to show that?
Election counts have changed Peter!
172 PtP. Many are …. but few are called.
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Following this by-election …. Sad Bastards United !!!
Glad you are all enjoying the web cast. Paid for out of MY Council Tax.
Is the woman with red jacket now touching the butt of the tall man next to her?!!
I love Council Tax its such good value.
Pleased its gone up 5000% under Labour.
Super Gordon Brown