Was this the response where Hillary went wrong?
February 27th, 2008
Should she have avoided “calling for a pillow” for Obama”?
The above thirty second snatch has probably been the most widely criticised part of Hillary’s performance in the debate overnight. It was as though she was trying to make herself look the victim.
On the issue at stake, whether she was always asked the first question, commentators have noted that on at least three occasion she jumped into to answer a point without one of the moderators suggesting that she should.
The nomination betting prices have hardly moved with Obama on 0.22/1.
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That was horrible to watch!!
She looks like the mother-in-law from hell.
Hillary hitting 13’s on the Iowa Exchanges, her lowest price yet :
http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/quotes/Nomination08_quotes.html
2. But Roger adores her
Whoops; not good Hillary.
I didn’t see the debate and that extract may be out of context but it’s never good to be seen to whine. Funnily enough, it contasts with her fine handling of the suggestion, at an earlier debate, that she was as likeable as Obama.
Maybe she’s just getting fed up with the whole business. The clock’s running down; she’s looking at the scoreboard and it’s telling her she’s losing.
Wow, a blog about a blog! So Mike maybe you could answer the “£64,000 question” on that blog?! Your book revs + Bestbetting revs + Messagespace revs + Appearances - are you anywhere near that figure dare we ask?
re 6) I suppose you should ad in winning bets as well!
3 Terrible way to start off presenting yourself - might have worked in a speech as a humorous aside “really these debates, they are like SNL spoof one, I get the difficult questions. Have to stop myself checking whether they had given Barack the extra comfortable chair and enough pillows”
She’s getting worse at debates as Barack gets more comfortable - or is it she was the least worst and now Barack’s improved she looks uncomfortable and less assured?
Mike just seen your blog on Lib Dem voice…very interesting.
No more betting on the LDs then.
4.But she is not his mother in law.
He won’t like this then.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-hillarysoldier.htm
As I indicated on the last thread, I’ve struggled to find a positve report for Hillary’s debate performance. Most say solid enough, others damn with faint praise, but as I said earlier the consensus is that she had either a losing draw or saw Obama clearly re-enforce his front-runner status.
Lord only knows the fat lady’s been rehearsing in the wings for a few weeks now but IMO come the morning of March 5th she’ll be trilling away with gusto !!
And I reckon HRC will chuck a deaf un!
Can’t wait for the press conference next Wednesday when after three defeats in Texas, Ohio and Vermont that it was the victory, she will probably get in Rhode Island that mattered.
Its time for “over the Hill” to start raiding her last few dollars in her campaign aaccount for a retirement in the American Virgin Islands….maybe not she only got 9% there!
Not a fan Paul?
Any floating voter will just hear 20 seconds of whining and obviously fake claims she doesn’t mind being asked first.
Dick Morris on the wreckage of the Clinton campaign :
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/the_clintons_just_wont_learn.html
14. Just the thought since 1980 that Bush/Clinton have been Pres. or Vice Pres. and the thought of another eight years…..yikes! That would be
36 YEARS!
There are many in western democracies that shirk at the heriditary presidents of countries such as Pakistan etc. Here we have the leading country (allegedly) of the western world with such a leadership.. If she gets in I’m cancelling that Disney holiday for the kids…
It’s possible to rate Obama without monstering Hillary. Something people on here struggle with. As for the thinly disguised misogyny (it is possible to be a misogynist and female Sally and many Tory women are) wouldn’t it be nice if we could have ten consecutive posts where it didn’t show itself once?
Herbert Proper (from the last thread) “You pays your omney and you takes your choice”!!
Is this a typo or an entry into the ‘lunch at Groucho’s with Tom Knox competition’?
Interesting quiz at http://www.gotoquiz.com/candidates/2008-quiz.html
My result was as follows but I’m still a Clintonista
90% Dennis Kucinich
89% Mike Gravel
88% Barack Obama
86% Chris Dodd, Hillary Clinton
84% John Edwards
83% Joe Biden
76% Bill Richardson
39% Rudy Giuliani
25% John McCain
24% Ron Paul
19% Mitt Romney, Tom Tancredo
17% Mike Huckabee
7% Fred Thompson
17 Oi, Roger, wotchit!
I’ve expressed my liking and admiration for HRC here many times, even though I would prefer Obama (and not just because of my bets.)
More of that guff and I’ll be sending the boys round. We know where you live.
Thanks for the Oscar tips though.
McCain apologizes for his warm up man, right wing shock jock Bill Cunningham’s, remarks about Obama.
Cunningham then repudiates McCain !!
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/27/cunningham.mccain/index.html
That was good fun!!
92% Barak Obama
92% Hillary Clinton
89% John Edwards
40% John McCain
17. As difficult as it is for certain blinkered Guardianistas to comprehend, its also possible to find Hillary totally loathsome without being a mysoginist.
In fact, its a pretty poor and lazy defence of HRC. In the same category as the Newts accusations of racism to those who point out his own (many) shortcomings.
May I ask if any other PBers are having trouble with the Rasmussen website ??
My Results:
83% Obama
82% Dodd
80% Clinton
78% Gravel
78% Kucinich
78% Edwards
77% Biden
75% Richardson
51% Giuliani
40% McCain
33% Romney
32% Paul
31% Huckabee
23% Tancredo
19% Thompson
Guess I’m not really a Republican.
90% Obama
87% Clinton
(85% Edwards)
50% McCain
(40% Romney)
34% Huckabee
31% Paul
23. No, seems fine to me.
I guess anyone in the UK (Tory Lab or Lib) will come out a Democrat.
17,22 I have only a peripheral interest in the US elections, and have a mild preference for Obama over Hillary.
Nonetheless, I have been surprised by the sheer vehemence of some of the attacks on Hillary on pb.com — for example, there are regular postings on how ugly she looks, or there is often pleasure when a photographer catches her looking wrinkled or aged. The mother-in-law gags above are further examples.
In fact, Hillary doesn’t look particularly ugly — she just looks as most 60 odd year old women look.
So, I have to say I think Roger is right (a phrase you don’t often hear)!
There are ugly traces of misogyny and ageism in some of the criticism of Hillary.
28. Some of the attacks on the fragrant Hilary’s personal attributes are surely covers for far more serious allegations that posters would rather not openly express though.
28. Rollocks..people don’t like her because of her personality and her behaviour not because she is a woman or old.
What you are noticing is how people articulate that strong dislike.
I agree with you that the manifestation of the dislike is sometimes crude and probably inappropriate but it is a consequence not a cause of the general antipathy to her.
29 Intrigued! Please do be explicit!
What are the “far more serious allegations” ?
Latest Rasmussen Presidential and Primary Trackers :
Clinton 43% .. Obama 47%
McCain 53% .. Huckabee 30%
McCain 48% .. Clinton 43%
McCain 46% .. Obama 43%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
27 - I suspect John Redwood or Bill Cash or Nicholas Winterton would come out as Republicans. Although I guess Ken Clark, Alan Duncan and Simon Burns would - the last 2 in particular having actively supported John Kerry 4 years ago.
28 - Agreed - especially as she is a 60 year old who’s been having long campaigning days for 5-6 months now. I think she’s very attractive as a 60 year old woman just like Barack is a handsome African/American/Asian. I just believe Hillary would deliver as a President whilst I find Barack worrying in his deliberately raising false hopes to get selected. To paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen - Mr Obama, you maybe the Democrats best hope but you aint no Bobby.
29 - Justice Caulfield?
32 - Interesting the slight fall in BO’s figures against JM in recent days.
28
Oh dear, poor old Hilary, after all she’s had it so hard in life hasn’t she? Being a woman meant she had to settle for being a mere lawyer in life and then a Senator. And all the years scrubbing floors at dawn in the Whitehouse, shocking.
29. That she’s thirsty ?
34. You might well say that, but I could not possibly comment…
Gonna drop these in quietly whilst noone is looking:
Inhuman Resources
Blood Loss
AlienNation
Blood Strain
Have a good one. Going off to learn about canvassing tonight!
Not OK to grab voters gently by the throat and say, ‘Don’t be such a prat’. Apparently.
18, 24 I guess ideally I’m an idealist but realistically a realist
[b]87% Mike Gravel (D)
87% Dennis Kucinich (D)
86% Barack Obama (D)
84% Chris Dodd (D)
83% Hillary Clinton (D)
82% John Edwards (D)
81% Joe Biden (D)
80% Bill Richardson (D)
46% Rudy Giuliani (R)
35% John McCain (R)
33% Ron Paul (R)
27% Mitt Romney (R)
25% Mike Huckabee (R)
15% Tom Tancredo (R)
13% Fred Thompson (R)
[/b]
[url=http://www.gotoquiz.com/candidates/2008-quiz.html]2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz[/url]
Me neither Peter
34 - Very quick!!
32. So old McCain is hanging on against both Hilz and Obama.
Despite the fact he’s apparently too old or so we are told and he’s a republican when they’ve just had a crap two term presidency and are about to hit recession.
Remarkable really and a warning do not count the old goat out espcially since people seem to have missed that the GOP has plumped for a change candidate.
Apparently McCain has proper Ulster Scots blood lineage, I should have known with his attitude.
39. Rules of canvassing in SouthWest London.
If you’re in Wandsworth everyone says they vote Conservative for the Council and anything else for the General Election.
If you’re in Richmond upon Thames, you’re canvassing a property worth more than £1m and and there’s a Porsche in the drive, they vote LibDem.
Anybody who asks you to explain Boris’s policy on Metronet is taking the mickey and intends to vote for Ken.
Anbody who asks you in for a cup of tea is either a lovely old dear or a lifelong Labour activist or both.
If they have a Rotweiler it simply doesn’t matter how they vote, it only matters that you make it out of there alive.
Enjoy!
71% Bill Richardson (D)
65% Chris Dodd (D)
62% Joe Biden (D)
61% Hillary Clinton (D)
60% Barack Obama (D)
60% John Edwards (D)
54% Mitt Romney (R)
51% John McCain (R)
51% Tom Tancredo (R)
50% Mike Gravel (D)
46% Mike Huckabee (R)
46% Rudy Giuliani (R)
45% Dennis Kucinich (D)
44% Fred Thompson (R)
43% Ron Paul (R)
And I consider myself more or less centre-right
77% Barack Obama (D)
76% Hillary Clinton (D)
74% John Edwards (D)
73% Chris Dodd (D)
68% Bill Richardson (D)
64% Joe Biden (D)
48% Dennis Kucinich (D)
48% John McCain (R)
47% Mike Gravel (D)
41% Rudy Giuliani (R)
38% Tom Tancredo (R)
35% Mitt Romney (R)
34% Mike Huckabee (R)
24% Fred Thompson (R)
13% Ron Paul (R)
What strikes me is that my best match is 10% lower than the lowest of anyone else’s best match. I’m apparently not that keen on any of them!
46 Strike that - anonymous and dangerous’ %s are much more bunched to the 40-70 range even than mine.
What does it *mean*?
32. Jack W re post 20. The CNN coverage was quite mild in comparison to the Fox News interview on Hannity and Colmes. Cunningham makes Ann Coulter look rational!
Here’s a link to the video:
http://tinyurl.com/37zb5r
O/T
The well known American conservative intellectual, and founder of National Review William F Buckley has died this morning aged 82.
re 27. Just check out Iain Dale and some of the Tory sites. There you will see big McCain backers who loathe both Obama and Hillary.
On a general level I just wonder whether Hillary will get some traction with the woman angle. Remember how she won in New Hampshire - it was the sight of the men ganging up on her that got the older women to the polls.
Her historic bit last night about having a woman in the White House will have touched many.
My wife Jacky is still a big HRC supporter.
49 - Bought a book last summer called “Glorious Disaster” by a grassroots organiser for Goldwater about the ‘64 election. Fascinating but true as it claims the ‘64 election disaster directly led to the election of RR in 1980. Buckley is mentioned several times as their intellectual hero even though he was less well known then than he is now.
51 - Give my apologies to the Grand Cttee on Sunday night. Got a note from Steve about it today.
Ear op means I’m still left with stuff in right ear cavity that means my hearing is worse than ever until it’s taken out on 26th Mar.
I’ll try and make the 17th Apr. Depends on Mandy’s shift.
Jacky as ever is wonderful and so right
PS I do miss Rik on PBC unless he has another nom de plume ?
Roger
I don’t dislike her because she is a woman. But I am not going to like her for it either.
At the beginning of the campaign she probably had me [ if on the head over heart thing]. But her campaign has alienated me [not this particularly]. She is not above hitting out herself. If she gives it she has to take it.
To be fair, I can understand the way she feels [up there]. I might feel and possibly even act that way myself in her circumstances, [not sure I will be such a good mother in law!]. But it is the part of myself I like least, I try not to give in to AND I am not running a campaign for President.
I think I am being fairer to her than you are to Tory women.
35/43 BTT/Yokel. Indeed, although most other pollsters show Obama ahead of McCain all almost all show Hillary doing vastly worse.
48 jsfl. Thanks for that link.
I thought Hillary was going to win originally, and didnt think much of Obama to begin with, however after watching her gradual turn to very personal attacks on Obama I’ve begun to support him instead. He’s gone for a more positive and interesting campaigjn, she’s gone for slagging off her opponants.
48 - that link isn’t working for me
73% Giuliani
72% Hillary Clinton
71% Joe Biden
69% John McCain (with Obama just behind)
….
19% Ron Paul
Reasonable for those fit surveys (especially having Ron Paul at the bottom), though I would obviously put McCain ahead of Giuliani and Thompson and Richardson ahead of Obama (the real weakness is that it doesn’t mention the value of experience, lack of which moves Obama way down in my estimation).
Well I said on here about 6 months ago that Hillary would never be elected President and I think my instinct has been proved right - there are simply too many people who dislike her. I seem to remember someone (might have been Peter the Punter) offered me a wager, given my frank assertion. However, as usual, I turned it down.
I don’t think it was any great foresight (and the cntest isn’t over yet). I happened to be reading an old artcile recently from around 2003, and it was about how democrats in America wanted Blair for President (yes, I know it seems laughable now!). They thought that his close association with the Clintons might mean he’d choose Hillary as VP. So why couldn’t Hillary stand herself? Because she was regarded as too divisive, said this article. I don’t think a lot has changed.
An interesting round-up by ABC on the debate :
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=3105288&page=1
O/T SNP MSP In Disgrace For Telling The Truth Shock Horror!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/south_of_scotland/7267022.stm
Personally, I find Hillary a shrewish, hysterical, gossipy, mediocre, bitchy, sharptongued, manipulative, withered, menopausal, ridiculous, ballbusting, thinlipped, nannying, womanish, catty, spiteful, carping, harridan-like, blue-nosed shrieking harpy of a ratbag.
But that is no excuse for any absurdly mysoginistic attacks on her.
Besides, most lefty men, like Roger, or Gordon Brown, are WORSE.
53 - 27th Apr not 17th
69 members of Parliament (65 Labour, 2 Plaid Cymru, 1 LibDem and George Galloway) have put their names to a motion praising Fidel Castro.
Labour: Diane Abbott, David Anderson, John Austin, John Battle, Anne Begg, Colin Burgon, Richard Caborn, Ronnie Campbell, Martin Caton, Colin Challen, Michael Clapham, Katy Clark, Harry Cohen, Frank Cook, Jeremy Corbyn, David Crausby, Ann Cryer, Ian Davidson, Dai Davies, Janet Dean, Jim Devine, Andrew Dismore, Jim Dobbin, David Drew, Clive Efford, Bill Etherington, Paul Flynn, Hywel Francis, Ian Gibson, John Grodan, David Hamilton, Fabian Hamilton, Dai Havard, David Heyes, Jimmy Hood, Kevin Hopkins, Lindsay Hoyle, Joan Humble, Brian Iddon, Lynne Jones, Peter Kilfoyle, David Lepper, Andrew Mackinlay, John McDonnell, Austin Mitchell, George Mudie, Eddie O’Hara, Albert Owen, Gordon Prentice, Ken Purchase, Linda Riordan, Virendra Sharma, Jim Sheridan, Alan Simpson, Marsha Singh, Dennis Skinner, Dari Taylor, David Taylor, John Trickett, Desmond Turner, Mike Wood.
Liberal Democrats: Paul Holmes.
Plaid Cymru: Elfyn Llwyd, Adam Price.
Respect: George Galloway.
Lol : the usual lefty suspects I can understand but a “liberal” “democrat” supporting an oppresive dictator - is irony not lost on the poor chap ?
61 - seant - have you drunk summat nasty recently ? Most of your posts seem very bitter and vitriolic against anyone to the left of John Redwoood.
You used to post some really interesting things but maybe I’m getting mixed up with Sean Fear ?
64. No, I am relatively sober. I have just rescued a fallen woman from a lifetime (well, an evening) of relative penury, but I only had two gin and tonics.
I have always been the nasty Sean, with a side order of venom. Sean Fear is the nice one, with a line in dry humour.
Hope that helps.
63 - depends exactly what the EDM says. if it says Castro was succesful in opposing American imperialism and expansionism, then most of those on the centre-left would happily sign it. I would.
If it says he was a wonderful person who brought freedom and democracy to Cuba, then anyone who signs it is bonkers. I wouldn’t.
17. I know what you mean about Tory women, but I’m not sure it is Misogyny. I just think many of them don’t want to see women in positions of power. I have a very Tory aunt, for instance, who won’t have a female doctor/solicitor etc. She insists on only having men in positions of authority over her.
I may be being unkind to the younger generation (she’s 60), but it still prevalent in areas, I’m sure.
65 - honesty with sobriety - like it. Hope you enjoy rescueing Sally
75% Barack Obama
73% Hillary Clinton
72% Dennis Kucinich
71% Bill Richardson
70% John Edwards
69% Mike Gravel
69% Joe Biden
64% Chris Dodd
49% John McCain
43% Rudy Giuliani
39% Mike Huckabee
37% Mitt Romney
28% Fred Thompson
27% Ron Paul
26% Tom Tancredo
That’s my score - for what its worth!
My results.
Given that I have never heard of Bill Richardson I guess this explains why I am an Obamacan (apart from my belief in his transformative symbolism)
Bill Richardson 73%
Barack Obama 71%
John Edwards 70%
Chris Dodd 69%
Hillary Clinton 63%
Joe Biden 60%
Rudy Giuliani 59%
Mike Gravel 58%
John McCain 53%
Mitt Romney 51%
Dennis Kucinich 48%
Tom Tancredo 47%
Mike Huckabee 40%
Fred Thompson 32%
Ron Paul 30%
Interesting (to me) that in American terms I come out as a centrist libertarian Democrat, rather than a Republican. But I guess that shows how much further to the right Yanqui politics is.
Also it shows how some debates (abortion, death penalty, gun law) just don’t translate sensibly across the pond.
58. 73% Giuliani! That’s just scary…
72. Guiliani was my best placed Republican, on 39% I think.
I’ve been favouring McCain in my betting over the other two. One important bit of news on this - Nader is standing again. He appears to be a closet Republican if after two elections he still can’t see he’s doing his cause more harm than good. The man is a bloody liability to environmentalists.
If he takes even say 2% of the vote, that’s probably one per cent he’s taking off the Democrats net of non voters and Republican voters.
Can’t anyone persuade some egotist evangelical right-winger to stand? Ross Perot (not that he matches that description) give Clinton a big boost in, was it, 1996.
Obama pulls out a 5 point lead 48%/43% in the latest Gallup Primary tracker :
http://www.gallup.com/poll/104611/Gallup-Daily-Tracking-Election-2008.aspx
OK, then. I agree, Hillary is bloody awful. I wouldn’t want her as a mother-in-law or US president.
85% Barack Obama
81% John Edwards
81% Hillary Clinton
80% Chris Dodd
79% Mike Gravel
78% Dennis Kucinich
78% Joe Biden
78% Bill Richardson
44% Rudy Giuliani
35% John McCain
33% Mitt Romney
27% Mike Huckabee
27% Ron Paul
25% Tom Tancredo
17% Fred Thompson
71 perot boosted Bill in 1992. Perot barely registered on the radar in 1996.
71 Off-Centre. I doubt Nader will reach much past 0.5% , similiar to his 2004 result.
Oh well, a bit different frm you guys!
85% Fred Thompson (R)
83% Mitt Romney (R)
76% Mike Huckabee (R)
71% Tom Tancredo (R)
71% John McCain (R)
64% Ron Paul (R)
58% Rudy Giuliani (R)
40% Bill Richardson (D)
32% Hillary Clinton (D)
29% Joe Biden (D)
28% John Edwards (D)
27% Barack Obama (D)
24% Chris Dodd (D)
20% Mike Gravel (D)
16% Dennis Kucinich (D)
88% Chris Dodd
81% Joe Biden
79% Barack Obama
77% Hillary Clinton
76% Mike Gravel
76% John Edwards
75% Dennis Kucinich
70% Bill Richardson
39% Rudy Giuliani
32% John McCain
24% Ron Paul
23% Mike Huckabee
22% Tom Tancredo
21% Mitt Romney
11% Fred Thompson
76 - If we ever meet at a pbc party, I’ll probably mistake you for the legendary Rik. hang on a minute - Rik would have minus scores for every Democrat and abrely double figures for even Fred Thompson
More seriously, suggest we don’t talk politics at a pbc party
77. I don’t understand how I was rated more highly for Giuliani than McCain. I guess it’s because there wasn’t a question about whether torture was an ok thing for a civilised country to do…
74-Perot got 8.4%, more than respectable for a US third party politician.
Clinton never got more than 49.2% of the vote, difficult to ever imagine the far more divisive HRC ever getting more.
74. Perot did not help Clinton in 1992. That is a myth conjured up by Republicans after the fact. Perot may have held somewhat paleoconservative views on trade but he was pro-choice and supported universal healthcare. He also came close to getting Tsongas or Wilder on board and when he dropped out the first time he endorsed Clinton.
I haven’t got the exact figures to hand but when Perot pulled out Clinton’s lead increased and when he returned Clinton’s lead contracted.
http://thepoliticaltipster.wordpress.com/2008/02/27/british-polling-projections-conservative-majority-of-28/
74. Perot did not help Clinton in 1992. That is a myth conjured up by Republicans after the fact. Perot may have held somewhat paleoconservative views on trade but he was pro-choice and supported universal healthcare. He also came close to getting Tsongas or Wilder on board and when he dropped out the first time he endorsed Clinton.
I haven’t got the exact figures to hand but when Perot pulled out Clinton’s lead increased and when he returned Clinton’s lead in the polls contracted.
OT - My latest British polling projections are now up and give the Tories a majority of 28.
http://thepoliticaltipster.wordpress.com/2008/02/27/british-polling-projections-conservative-majority-of-28/
Sorry for the double posting. I also meant to refer to 78’s comment rather than 74’s.
60% John McCain (R)
55% Mitt Romney (R)
54% Dennis Kucinich (D)
53% Bill Richardson (D)
53% Mike Gravel (D)
52% Rudy Giuliani (R)
51% Hillary Clinton (D)
51% Barack Obama (D)
50% Mike Huckabee (R)
49% Joe Biden (D)
49% Ron Paul (R)
48% John Edwards (D)
48% Chris Dodd (D)
46% Fred Thompson (R)
45% Tom Tancredo (R)
So with the lowest support rating for them of anyone so far on pb.com now perhaps you’ll understand why I’m truly a floating voter
lol!!
now Republicans in Texas for Hillary
http://media.www.dailytexanonline.com/media/storage/paper410/news/2008/02/27/Opinion/Republicans.For.Hillary-3237264.shtml
88. How on earth do you get to be half Romney and half Kucinich? They’re polar opposites!
Seem to be the only one who turned up Hillary - which I suppose isn’t to surprising as she’s sort of a liberal conservative and John McCain is quite high up.
76% Hillary Clinton
76% Chris Dodd
76% Barack Obama
75% Bill Richardson
73% John Edwards
72% John McCain
63% Joe Biden
58% Mike Huckabee
56% Mitt Romney
55% Rudy Giuliani
50% Mike Gravel
49% Dennis Kucinich
47% Tom Tancredo
43% Fred Thompson
36% Ron Paul
88% Hillary Clinton
87% Barack Obama
85% John Edwards
82% Joe Biden
80% Chris Dodd
76% Dennis Kucinich
75% Mike Gravel
75% Bill Richardson
49% Rudy Giuliani
38% John McCain
29% Mike Huckabee
27% Tom Tancredo
25% Mitt Romney
17% Fred Thompson
10% Ron Paul
no comment!
90. Dunno mate, but it helps prove my point about being a floating voter! There’s a common thread somewhere in the answers I gave around personal morality I think …
That site has got some great other quizzes on there
Apparently, I’m a drama nerd :s
79%Barack Obama
76%Dennis Kucinich
75%Chris Dodd
75%Mike Gravel
74%Hillary Clinton
74%Bill Richardson
73%John Edwards
70%Joe Biden
45%Rudy Giuliani
41%Ron Paul
40%John McCain
39%Mitt Romney
29%Mike Huckabee
27%Tom Tancredo
26%Fred Thompson
My results:
69% Bill Richardson
67% John McCain
…
59% Barack Obama
59% Hillary Clinton
…
40% Ron Paul
It seems those of us on the centre-right of UK politics end up fairly floating in the US context - unsurprising given the centre of gravity is further to the right in the US.
78% Dennis Kucinich
77% Barack Obama
76% Mike Gravel
75% Chris Dodd
75% Hillary Clinton
72% John Edwards
71% Bill Richardson
69% Joe Biden
54% Rudy Giuliani
46% John McCain
38% Mitt Romney
36% Mike Huckabee
30% Ron Paul
24% Fred Thompson
19% Tom Tancredo
Presumably Duncan Hinter (who he?) would be off the bottom of the scale. 36% Huckabee is scarily high, must be the economic populism or something, it sure as hell isn’t the gay marriage and drug legalisation!
Seems I’m the most pro-McCain person so far.
76% John McCain
66% Mitt Romney
64% Rudy Giuliani
62% Mike Huckabee
62% Tom Tancredo
61% Fred Thompson
59% Hillary Clinton
56% Barack Obama
54% John Edwards
54% Chris Dodd
53% Joe Biden
46% Bill Richardson
34% Ron Paul
29% Mike Gravel
26% Dennis Kucinich
80. Peter2 To get those results, you put in jokey answers - right? Or you are an American?
New US projections:
Hillary and Obama close to each other in Texas and Ohio (Hillary leads in Ohio, Obama leads in Texas)
http://thepoliticaltipster.wordpress.com/2008/02/27/texas-and-ohio-come-down-to-the-wire-on-the-democratic-side/
McCain above 50% with Huckabee far behind in both Texas and Ohio.
http://thepoliticaltipster.wordpress.com/2008/02/27/mccain-crusing-in-both-ohio-and-texas/
86 I digress;I recall a US political webpage which wenbt into great depth analysing the outcome in the absence of Prot-it concluded he took votes by 2-1 from Bush,and Clinton would have only won by 281-257 in the Electoral College,as opposed to the actual outcome of 370-168
99-No!! x2
It reminds me of the distraught among McGovern voters in 1972: how could Nixon win, I know no one who voted for him…
I am a bit surprised though how a website often accused of being over-run by Tories has so pro-Democrat views…
My results:
Your Results:
66% Mitt Romney
65% Rudy Giuliani
58% Bill Richardson
56% Hillary Clinton
55% Barack Obama
54% John McCain
54% Chris Dodd
52% Fred Thompson
51% John Edwards
50% Joe Biden
47% Tom Tancredo
46% Mike Huckabee
45% Ron Paul
44% Dennis Kucinich
42% Mike Gravel
But, I can’t stand Mitt Romney!!
Lord! That response and tirade made even Hazel Blears seem competent. Too much pillow talk from Bill?
She is toast. Going down fast. Maybe that will endear her even more (sic) to her loving husband?
Some interesting results from mine !!
98% James III & VII
97% Bonnie Dundee
95% Lord George Murray
92% Flora MacDonald
89% The Duke of Perth
86% Prince Charles Edward Stuart
85% Cardinal Prince Henry Stuart
84% James II and VII
83% Rob Roy
82% The Duke of Berwick
0.8% Princess Ann Stuart
0.7% Princess Mary Stuart
0.6% William of Orange
0.5% Varoius George’s, The Electors of Hanover
0.4% Various Dukes of Argyll
0.2% The ‘Duke of Cumberland’
0.1% Dudley Bradstreet
I think HRC and BHO will both win two states on Tuesday, this race will probably drag onto Pensylvania and will end there.
Your Results:
89% Dennis Kucinich
86% Mike Gravel
77% Barack Obama
75% John Edwards
75% Hillary Clinton
75% Bill Richardson
73% Chris Dodd
68% Joe Biden
45% Rudy Giuliani
36% John McCain
30% Ron Paul
30% Mike Huckabee
27% Mitt Romney
16% Fred Thompson
15% Tom Tancredo
How odd. I seem to be remarkably similar to UKPaul. I suspect hanging chads…..
Influential Democrat, (Rep) John Lewis has transfered his support to Obama. It’s a significant blow to Hillary as Lewis was one of her most important backers in the black community :
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/02/27/Lewis_0228_web.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab
I would appear to be joining the ranks of the Democrats:
68% Dennis Kucinich
67% Mike Gravel
67% Chris Dodd
62% Barack Obama
62% Bill Richardson
58% Hillary Clinton
56% John Edwards
55% Joe Biden
50% Ron Paul
46% Rudi Giuliani
43% John McCain
40% Mitt Romney
38% Mike Huckabee
32% Fred Thompson
30% Tom Tancredo
105. Aren’t those the component parts for a pub crawl through Edinburgh? (You’ve also made the most unJacklike mistake of misnumbering your first entry!)
107-To quote Barnesian, Roger, To get those results, you put in jokey answers - right? Or you are you European?
107/9. Oh my God. I have become Roger!
105 Surely a recount Rob came to his senses and accepted a pardon from King George I
102.
Not inconsistant at all. In my undergraduate days I was a member of the Durham Union Society (the debating club), I and about 4 others were non-Conservatives. Most of members supported either Dean, Kerry or (if they supported the war). Indeed, there was one Gephadht (!) supporter. There is a strong antiwar (or more accurately ‘Iraq needs a Saddam to keep them in check’) streak in Tory politics - which is reflected in the fact that the Iraq war has consistently polled better with Labour supporters than Conservatives.
There is also the fact that many Conservatives are partisan enough to dislike the Iraq war because it the action of a Labour government. To be fair this would probably be the reaction of some Labour supporters, were this the actions of a Conservative government - this is why people like John McCain and Joe Lieberman who supported (and support) intervention when another party is in power who are the most credible on foreign policy, if the Democrats had liberated Iraq people like Huckabee and Romney would be antiwar.
Agree with the parallels to 1972, the ‘grassroots’ and youth helping defeating the strongest Democrat, fights over delegates at the Convention followed by a Republican landslide.
test…
The combination of Self Deluded right to Power, lack of sincerity and sheer desperation is unhealthy.
I have to ask why does she want to be president so badly? Does she want to issue presidential pardons to friends like Bill did? Or she so financially overstretched?
Hooray !!!!!! I’ve found a Hillary Wins Debate article !!!!!
Now I’m off to find that Huckabee is a Commie, Liberal, Gay P0rn star, Castro lite, Al Qeda terrorist article in the “New York Times”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/obama-blows-his-sister-s_b_88647.html
112-Interesting. Most Conservatives I know dislike the Democrats as much as I do, but maybe they’re not representative. Am happy to recognise it. Birds of a feather and all that. However, among students how much would it have been down to supporting the trendy “progressive” force while not impacting directly on UK politics?
I do think there is a degree of partisanship amongst all parties and accept your point on Lieberman and McCain. Certainly more coherent than HRC’s or Kerry’s “I was for it before I was against the Iraq war”.
I always suspected Cook’s resignation had more to do with supporting a Republican “illegal war”, than with principle. He indeed took centre stage in another “illegal war” but this time with a Democrat in the White House.
1972-wish I had been old enough to enjoy it!! HRC was old enough to be an active supporter of the last Arizonan to run for president, Barry Goldwater. How many of those who loathe her now, would have loathed her now? I am happy to admit, “I would take the 5th on that one!”
112 There is also the fact that many Conservatives are partisan enough to dislike the Iraq war because it the action of a Labour government
No. Not really. Although Conservatives are happy to see Labour hung by their own petard, Conservatives are patriots and rally around their armed forces.
What Conservatives don’t like, is Labour’s Defence cuts during war time. Labour start wars they have no will to win. Labour sends troops out ill equiped, without body armour, helicoptors or air support. The make them sit under fire without letting them fight back.
Labour expects servicemen to make up funding shortfalls with family sacrifice, financial sacrifice and blood.
When the Conservatives get in power, the forces can receive the support they deserve & need. They will then win and our Servicemen can come home.
117
“When the Conservatives get in power, the forces can receive the support they deserve & need. ”
Sorry but that is just rubbish.
If teh Conservatives win th next GE it’s a simple question: which major program to cancel or do you want to cut Armed Forces numbers by 20,000?
The MOD budget is imploding and cannot afford its capital programs, but GB will not let them cut anything yet… so they will end up with a disaster on their hands: not enough bodies AND a cut in programs.
If the Conservatives were an effective Opposition…
This news will put a spring in Seant’s step.
James Forsyth over at the Coffee House Blog is reporting that the Europe Referendum back on the cards
90% Barack Obama
88% Chris Dodd
86% Hillary Clinton
84% John Edwards
84% Bill Richardson
81% Joe Biden
78% Dennis Kucinich
75% Mike Gravel
53% Rudy Giuliani
45% John McCain
33% Mitt Romney
31% Ron Paul
29% Mike Huckabee
25% Tom Tancredo
20% Fred Thompson
Who’s Chris Dodd?
120 Alan. He’s a Dem Senator who departed the race after Iowa and yesterday came out in support of Obama.
117 AMCBH. You mean unlike the last Conservative government that savaged the defence budget and caused havoc in the armed forces ??
118 Sorry but you write rubbish.
1) The Human Rights legislation will be repealed, saving billions.
2) Illegal Immigrants will be deported, saving billions.
3) The BBC will be privatised, earning and saving billions.
4) Labour’s free cash to the EU will be cancelled, earning billions.
5) Anti-business legislation will be scrapped, generating billions.
6) Taxation will be lowered, generating billions of extra tax revenue.
7) The cash free for all on Labour’s buddies will be cancelled, saving billions.
9) Northern Rock will be dumped, saving billions.
10) etc…etc…etc…
The Defence Budget will be doubled.
The Conservatives dont need your permission.
119 That’s big news - and a big headache for Clegg AND Cameron.
73% Barack Obama
72% Rudy Giuliani
71% Hillary Clinton
70% Chris Dodd
70% Bill Richardson
68% John McCain
67% John Edwards
63% Mike Huckabee
63% Joe Biden
59% Mitt Romney
54% Dennis Kucinich
51% Mike Gravel
48% Fred Thompson
38% Tom Tancredo
34% Ron Paul
Well it seems like I could more or less vote for anyone without enthusiasm - 7 candidates within 6% but none at very high levels.
Clinton seems to be approaching the endgame. I can see her clinging on for a few weeks though, which might be a bit like watching The Office, you can’t quite bear the gruesomeness of it but it also very entertaining…
BTW Who teh hell is Chris Dodd?
122 - you thought of putting your satirical talent to good use in say, Private Eye?
69% John McCain
67% Mike Huckabee
62% Hillary Clinton
62% Barack Obama
58% John Edwards
58% Mitt Romney
56% Bill Richardson
55% Joe Biden
52% Rudy Giuliani
52% Fred Thompson
51% Chris Dodd
48% Tom Tancredo
45% Mike Gravel
45% Dennis Kucinich
36% Ron Paul
Guess I ought to be happy with whichever of the current candidates wins…
117 117 AMCBH. You mean unlike the last Conservative government that savaged the defence budget and caused havoc in the armed forces ??
Jack W, you always did write out of your ARRSE. Your childish humour suggests I need explain to you as I would a child.
Did you ever hear the expression, “Make hay while the Sun shines”?
Cutting defence budget during peace time, ie a “Peace Dividend”, is a wholly sensible policy. It enables reserves to be built up for more “spartan” times.
123 - Bigger headache for Clegg, I think. Cameron can probably marshal his mob behind a Yes EU/No Lisbon campaign; if the LDs support this amendment, and it goes through, though, they’re in all sorts of difficulty.
123.”119 That’s big news - and a big headache for Clegg AND Cameron.”
No, it COULD be a real headache for Brown, Clegg and Cameron for various reasons, but mainly because not one of them can guarantee that all their MP’s would follow the whip.
More of a headache for Clegg than Cameron. Cameron is pro-europe but anti-treaty, Clegg is…erm…well, he wants the referendum, but hasnt said why. Brown is a mess as always.
117. May I ask whether you - as a Conservative - remain proud of our armed forces when they are used as instruments of evil and aggression by engaging in unprovoked attacks on other sovereign states? Many conservatives in Nazi Germany were genuinely proud of the Whermacht and the Lufwaffe, but as decent human beings did not wish to see them prevail in Hitler’s wars.
Might not the same view be reasonably taken in relation to Blair’s illegal war against Iraq?
129 The biggest problem is for Brown who is in the biggest danger of having to enact something totally against his party policy. Clegg has already blown it within the parliamentary party who I think will quite happily now do their own thing. Cameron can sit back, relax and see what shakes out - most tories would be happy to get a referendum on the Treaty - if some tory MPs wanted to also campaign for a yes on leaving the EU I can’t see Cameron losing sleep over it - it won’t get voted for by public who are more educated and able than many on here and within the Liberal Democrat party appear to realise.
From the previous thread, I think Baskerville has it about right, with a win of 52/48% for Boris Johnson.
It’s difficult for me to separate my very personal loathing for Ken Livingstone from my objective view of this campaign, but I don’t think Livingstone can pull it off this time, unless Johnson does something disastrous.
129 Strangely, only 3 Tory MPs voted for the Lisbon Treaty (I’d have expected about 10). The Parliamentary Conservative Party is very tightly disciplined on this, and the risks lie with both Labour and the Lib Dems
No surprises
Leading up to March 4’s primaries, all of the attention has been focused around the Democratic candidates—and for good reason. John McCain leads in all four states voting on March 4—Ohio, Rhode Island, Texas, and Vermont. Almost all the poll averages and new polls show McCain leading with a 20-point margin. He’s up by 25 points in Ohio, 19 in Texas, nearly 50 points in Rhode Island (according to only one poll), and 20 in Vermont (according to only two polls).
If these polls hold, McCain should cruise to victory and be on the cusp of a delegate majority
131. I don’t consider they have been used as instruments as evil. I view Iraq as more of a blunder than a crime.
O/T
“WILLIAM HILL has posted full-year profits in line with analysts expectations and said it expected an overhaul of its technology to take a year, reports Reuters.
“Gross win in the company’s high street betting shops grew by 9% to £802.6m pounds, although it said that online profits were “disappointing” with gross win falling by £10.7m to £119.8m.
No doubt Sidney’s position is being reviewed this minute.
130.After all the huffing and puffing with that over egged stunt yesterday just to show how strongly Clegg and his MP’s felt about this, it looks like Ian Davidson will be Calling Nick Clegg’s bluff after all?
135 That’s a very calm, balanced and reasonable way of putting it SeanF.
Are you absolutely sure you are a Conservative.
127 AMCBH. Did you ever hear the expression :
Conservatives Closed All Armed Forces Hospitals.
135 But there appears to be little doubt amongst International jurists that the Iraq war was illegal!
136. My heart bleeds for them.
I see the govt are advertising their bank on the state owned TV channel during the football at the moment. This place is getting more like Cuba everyday.
O/T Apologies if people have seen this before but I found this more general political ideology survey. Thought it was interesting:
http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/z_pofo_political_test.php
Rated me as a Libertarian which I can easily live with (no idea what the other categories are).
141 woody. I’m sure you’re lighting up that Havana and growing your Castro beard this very moment.
133.Sean, I am a wee bit concerned because we have so much previous form when it comes to Europe. I hope you are right though, because tight discipline with a realistic policy on the EU has got to be the way forward.
129. Having a few MPs go against the party line is not a problem and can be played as an important part of democracy - independent minds and so on - although no party wants too many doing their own thing.
The biggest problem would be for Brown, who would almost certainly lose the vote on the Lisbon Treaty which he would be honour bound to campaign for (and would probably do so in the half-hearted manner that has marked his premiership so far), resulting in the worst of all worlds - looking a loser, unpopular and ineffective.
Cameron would have a bigger problem with the voluntary party than his MPs. While the MPs might go in the main for a No/Yes option, the same can’t be predicted for the voluntary party, which would probably make up a good deal of the No/No lobby. The danger is of a split between the Westminster and local parts of the party. The Tories would be likely to finish on the winning side though.
The same wouldn’t be true of Clegg and the Lib Dems, but then it probably wouldn’t matter as the Lib Dems could still aim to capture a large part of the Yes/Yes opinion with positive campaigning. It might not be a large section of the electorate, but with only 17% or so in the polls, providing they cover their base and campaign enthusiastically, this will more than make up for the downside of probably losing one of the questions.
My prediction will be that the amendment won’t get passed. The Labour front bench won’t want it at all and the Tory front bench will not like the in/out option which will distract from what they will want to focus on.
140 That’s not entirely inconsistent with SeanF’s measured view though, is it, Justin?
139: Not having any wars of dubious legality going on helps when making that decision.
145 Roger Herdson. Very sound.
Now are you Roger or Herdson.
140. Really? Which international jurists? I’ve heard the term bandied round a lot but I’ve yet to see which law the Iraq invasion actually broke.
Even so, illegal or legal, it would be particularly spiteful to wish to see the Iraq war go badly. That would be bad for the men and women of our armed forces, the Iraqi people, and the Middle East in general.
And I think the war was a terrible idea from the very start.
124. Senator from Conneticut. He’s very strong on civil liberties but also broadly free trade.
138 Are you <I<absolutely sure you’re apolitical PtP?
149 Killing innocent people under false pretences isnt legal in most countries is it?
139 I dont wish to play ping pong with you. I can lead you to intellectual water, but I cannot make you drink. This shall be my last reply. Like the farmer sowing seeds, it shall either take root, fall on stoney ground or be carried away by Labour clones.
Clearly, what you say is a untrue. Here is a link to the closing of the Last Military Hospital, dated 30/03/07. Please note that Conservatives hadnt been in power for 10years and it was closed during Time of War.
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=445617&in_page_id=1770&in_page_id=1770&expand=true
Closing Military Hospitals during Peace Time is sensible as there is reduced requirement. I ask once more, did you hear the expression, “Make hay while the sun shines”?
Money saved during peace time may be held in reserve for times of crisis. During wartime, hospitals transferred to the NHS could then be transferred back to the Military as required.
Conservative cuts during peace time, good. Labour cuts during war time, bad.
99% Fidel Castro
91% Mike Gravel
88% Dennis Kucinich
76% John Edwards
72% Bill Richardson
71% Barack Obama
68% Chris Dodd
67% Joe Biden
67% Hillary Clinton
28% Ron Paul
22% Rudy Giuliani
19% John McCain
19% Tom Tancredo
18% Mike Huckabee
15% Mitt Romney
9% Fred Thompson
Mine seems a little different!?!
Malcolm
116. I am a Conservative supporter in the UK and a strong Democrat in the USA. The US Parties have always been slightly to the right of their UK counterparts, but the GOP has moved so far right in the last 15 years most British Conservatives I know prefer the Democrats.
There is also the fact that the Democrats are now the party that contains the broadly centrist, wishes to do what works, non-ideological voter. Historically that faction has been part of the Conservative Party in the UK, although now it is probably split between all three parties here.
152. The deliberate killing of innocent people is always illegal. The accidental killing of civilians while targeting military targets during wartime is not.
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