Could the Clinton tax return be the next in line?
March 26th, 2008
Is PaddyPower’s 4/1 a good value bet?
This PaddyPower market on the next scandal to hit one of the presidential contenders has been around for some time but we have not focused on it before. Although quite fun I don’t like this sort of wager because of the lack of definition in working out what will trigger settlement.
But looking at the list we do know of one thing that will be happening very soon - the release of the Clinton tax returns - something that’s become more of an issue following Obama’s move yesterday to make public all his tax records going back to 2000.
Could fine scrutiny of the document by the media produce a “tax irregularity” scandal that would cause Paddy Power to pay out? That’s hard to judge but it might be worth a small punt.
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Draft dodging at 12/1 seems a bit low, seeing that Clinton is a woman, Obama is too young for the draft, and McCain is a decorated veteran!
Problem with some of those is defination. Obama has already got all his (limited) drug use into the open.
I must admit I was looking for the catergory which Michelle and Bill running off together would come into…
Some amusing options!
Having bestowed the title on Monica Lewinsky in 1996, can you see Bill voting for Hillary as Miss Poke 2008?
whats Dui at 8/1 ? Driving under the influence?
6. 120/1:
The entire electorate suddenly has an apocalypse: “Holy shit! She’s Hillary Clinton!” and panics.
“When we appoint the equally qualified black over the white ( or indeed asian, now that will cause fire works) will we also be asking his/her (a) sexuality (b) mental health record (c) socio economic back ground. If not why not? and if we do what will we do with the info. How do we rank race, class and say sexuality in the paper, scissors, stones of positive discrimination?”
Well seeing that the argument for affirmative action is to benefit communities, I don’t see how sexuality or mental health would come into it. You don’t get downtrodden neighbourhoods of entirely gay people or entirely autistic people like you would with race, religion or class backgrounds.
Maybe the whole thing is just an elaborate ruse which has got out of hand and now they are trapped in a lie. Yes Barak and Hillary have been at it in the Senate Cloke room and running for President was just a cover story to spend more time away from home.
MInd you given the weird similarities with season 7 of the west Wing i’d like the odds on a Nuclear Disaster.
5. Yep.
What odds do you get for all of them applying to a candidate?
Are you familar with the life out comes for gay people and people with mental health issues? Income, Health, Violence, Housing? and the social stigma?
Now I have started thinking of the most amusing Treble.
What odds can I get on Barak Obama and Hillary Clinton being caught having an affair with each other, whilst Hillary drives under the influence and Obama takes drugs, only to discover it was to cover up the fact that they’ve both had gaylove with draft-dodging, tax-evading bigamous shoplifting prostitutes with links to Al Qaeda?
Incidentally, the term “Tonya Harding tactic” has now been picked up by the news networks. This will hurt Clinton methinks.
On the topic of new terms shaping political discussion, expect “Stop-Loss” to be an issue come the General Election. It’s a military term for the involuntary extension of your contract. It was first used in the first Gulf war, but it’s happening all the time now the US is fighting two prolonged fights in Afghanistan and Iraq. A movie named after the term will come out soon, humanising soldiers that are coming home from harsh tours of duty only to be forced to be sent out again. It could shape the Iraq dialogue in a McCain-Obama battle.
This topic is a bit of a risky one as far as defamation is concerned.
There was one alleged scandal that was doing the rounds about 6 months ago about Hilary but I doubt that would come out unless she got the nomination.
15 You mean the sort of thing that Sean T was hinting at?
I can see future controversy if Paddy Power decides to pay out on adultery, instead of one of the scandals with the longer odds- after al, prostitution and bigamy could both count as such.
On topic I can only assume that there is nothing dodgy on the Clinton tax return other than being embarringly wealthy. Why elese would she delay it till the week before Penn? She’s not that stupid is she?
@11:
As a gay man, I’ve always been under the impression that we tend to have slightly better employment prospects (financially) than the average straight white man.
Something to do with not having women and children bleeding you dry, I guess.
As far as I know, I’ve never been discriminated against because of my sexuality though. Pity, I never like to miss an opportunity to air grievances and get self-righteous.
11. Yes, and I don’t want to downplay it at all. But isn’t the purpose of affirmative action to encourage wealth to reach those disaffected neighbourhoods? Thus while mental health and sexuality certainly cause a large amount of individual harm, one gay person getting a better job won’t help other gay people, where the theory is that an Asian person getting a good job will have knock-on effects for other Asian people nearby.
Gallup Tracker has Obama lead over Clinton narrowing to 1 point 47-46
16. I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Sean T hasn’t commented on this post.
20 The cynic in me would suggest the real purpose of affirmative action is to reward one’s political supporters.
22 At the time of the Iowa caucuses.
Who counts as a candidate? Just the obvious three only?
SeanT was hinting that the EU, might not be the most wonderful institution in the history of the world. Cant think that Hillary feels that strongly about it!!!
19 - You have made a post that genuinely surprised me there.
23. I don’t know, as I’ve heard college professors argue very strongly for it. I think it’s very much a liberal middle-class guilt thing. Personally, I find it distasteful as I consider it to be papering over the cracks in terms of addressing inequality between groups, and infuriating the poorer of the more successful ethnic group at the same time. We should instead be concentrating on improving schools and lowering crime in downtrodden minority areas.
19. the effects are disipating thankfully but the stats show all sorts of income deprivation amongst gay people. the “Pink Pound” myth works if you look at urban centres becuase everyones a graphic designer and lives in a yuppie flat. Look across the country and its a different picture.
20. don’t young gay people need more role models than Julian Clary?
My point is if you have two equally qualified candidates re interview them with a more sophisticated scoring technique. If its still tied then don’t assume appointing the asian solicitors son is more progresive than not appointing the quite lad/lass who grew up in poverty. Its more complex.
@20:
Isn’t that “trickle-down” economics, and thus a thoroughly discredited notion?
@23:
No, I suggest the real reason is to ease one’s liberal guilt, and let people see how lovely you are because you’re being nice to the blacks and gays and that. It’s primarily about making people feel better about themselves for being white, middle class and wealthy.
19. I know people who deliberately target their business services at professional gay men after it was revealed that it is the demographic that has the largest disposable income by far.
Hillary has just sent me a facebook message advertising a fundrasing concert that Elton John is doing for her in New York. Does that count as a scandal? he’s certainly putting it about a bit what with Paddick as well!
29 I’ve always thought that gay men are more likely to be found among the upper echelons of society, but perhaps that isn’t so?
25 - That is a very fair point considering VP candidates come into play sooner or later. The wording is, “Next Scandal to emerge regarding a 2008 US Presidential candidate?” and I am unclear whether, say, any Obama running mate dodging the draft would be “regarding” Obama.
29. I thought it was less about role models and more about simply dispersing wealth. Trickle down economics works better if the person who has become wealthy is your brother or the neighbour that shops in your store.
33: I believe that is explained by the concept of “boarding school”
25. I guess Nader and any libertarian or evangelical that might run also count.
36. What about the Navy? Or hairdressers?
@36:
As a poor grammar school boy, I was never afforded the opportunity to fag for the older boys.
As you can no doubt tell, I’ve been psychologically scarred by this.
Paul Graham on the trickle down effect: “You need rich people in your society not so much because in spending their money they create jobs, but because of what they have to do to get rich. I’m not talking about the trickle-down effect here. I’m not saying that if you let Henry Ford get rich, he’ll hire you as a waiter at his next party. I’m saying that he’ll make you a tractor to replace your horse.”
33. Its been historically easier to be out in the upper eschalons, or perhaps just that you have the networks to survive. I’ll try and dig out some of the research. I’m sure in 30 years the stats will have equallised but the “Pink Pound” motif did enormous damage to perceptions in the 1990’s. I went beserk when my council started quoting it in promotional literature.
30. Is trickle down economics really discredited? By whom? There might be arguments about how long it takes to trickle down, but I can’t believe it doesn’t happen at all.
36 I’d have thought that was more likely to engender a taste in later life for flagellation rather than homosexuality.
24. Not sure what SeanT said, but I don’t really want to get Mike in any trouble by repeating it (All the presidential candidates being regular readers of course) All I can say is that a few of the other posters are hovering around it.
@42: see 40 for one.
There’s no real evidence that rich people’s wealth richens society as a whole. It’s more that the process that leads to rich people means a wealthier society as a whole. But it still doesn’t end up with those at the bottom, the ones most isolated, the least economically active. Like what Paul Graham said.
44. It was a juicy tale.
@44: SeanT can bring the polaroids to the next PBC party.
I’ve always been confused by this middle class guilt thing. All my friends would be classed as middle class, and pretty much all of them come from a middle class background. Have never heard any of them go on about race and sexual issues in a PC/middle class guilt/etc way. And they come from pretty much all over the UK, so no strong bias to anywhere.
Is this a middle class guilt affecting only the denizens of the metropolitan media world?
@41: Why do you find the notion of the “pink pound” distasteful?
We gay men are a perfectly legitimate market to target, are we not?
@48: I think it comes from reading too much of The Guardian or The Independent.
45. That’s just one guy’s view isn’t it? Surely if I became stinkingly rich, I either spend it or save it. If I spend it at a company, I increase the income of that company for no extra cost to them, increasing the marginal product of labour and the marginal product of capital for that company. That would lead to a windfall (albeit spread very thinly) for both workers and shareholders. It would also have aggregate demand benefits (although non-Keynesians would reject any long term effect from this.)
If I save the money, then it goes into the banking system and money is more available for entrepreneurs, which obviously benefits society.
I agree that the money wouldn’t help out everyone, as some communities are not integrated with the wider economy, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t help society.
Spot the scandal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6poDuB_SexU
(can’t believe that URL)
50-Actually I normally read the Grauniad first thing in the morning, if only to get the juices flowing.
You would be a ‘brave’ punter to play in a market that is priced at over 140% and open to the definitional challenges discussed by others. Still, good pr for Paddy Power.
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52 Falling Flag Video: Hillary is in trouble! Isn’t that Lee Jasper with her!!!
51, Socrates.
I’d assume that the trickle-down benefits were overemphasised in the past - due to the rapid and wide dispersion from each trigger point (each rich person enriched would therefore affect a moderate amount of people only slightly and would be hard to discriminate from noise.
Logically, you’d want to maximise the number of trigger points in order to increase effects and spread them more widely. Which would.imply that trickle-down effcts are easier to spot and more effective the lower the level of “rich” required for enrichment. You’d also get more direct improvement that way.
Accordingly, although the trickle-down concept appears sound, a “trickle-up” approach would be more effective: direct improvement to those who would see the most benefit, more trigger-points for indirect improvement.
It indirectly enriches the rich as well, by providing more reach to the consumers at the lower end of the income spectrum.
I note that the Local Government Chronicle is predicting that Labour won’t gain a single council this year.
Why is it that some people want to turn a perfectly normal subject into a win-wink nudge-nudge let’s all talk about gay people drive?
Perhaps there are those who can see some point in those discussions, a little snippet here or there that might assist a punter or three; but for the life of me I just can’t see it.
OT Its now the turn of H Rodham Clinton’s campaign to be put under the microscope. Wake me know when the Main Stream Media get around to looking closely at John McCain.
Rip Van Winkle
58 Are they predicitng any losses/change of control?
I believe SeanT was talking about tromboning, and made it very clear that no candidate, especially not HRC, had ever been associated with it.
57. Well, yes “trickle down” seems a bit of a misnomer, when its trickle in all directions in reality. But in terms of aiming wealth towards those who most benefit, it’s a fine strategy as long as the policies to do so don’t slow the growth of the overall wealth in society.
58: Most likely cash and resources will be poured into a single prospect in order to secure a single good news story for the election night…
Guys, *sigh*
Do I really have to scotch this rumour AGAIN? It was a joke!
Just for the record, as far as I know, Hillary Clinton is NOT a juicer. She has never been associated with JUICING in any way, and any idea that she, HILLARY CLINTON, is INDEED a JUICER, must be erased from the mind.
HILLARY CLINTON is not a JUICER.
I’ll say it one more time, there is absolutely no LINK between HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON and the truly repulsive sexual act of JUICING.
For anyone who is unaware of what JUICING is (apart an activity LINKED, by some foolish people, to MRS HILLARY CLINTON) see here:
http://tinyurl.com/377jg9
But please, enough attempts to smear MRS CLINTON with this JUICING rumour. It’s not working.
49. Its the idea (untrue) that gay people earn above average incomes, that they don’t have kids (statistically more care for children than you might think) and that they blow it all on designer underware, holidays to san francisco and premium lager. Obviously some do but then some black men are rapists. More importantly are gay people statisticaly more likely to spend money on these things than the straights?
Well true or no ….. I’ve just instructed cook to get rid of our juicer from the kitchen forthwith !! …. whatever, where and what goes is not happening chez Jack W …. No siree !!!
http://www.vitality4lifeshop.com.au/images/champion-juicer.jpg
58, Labour have a pretty strong chance of gaining Carlisle. Things only need to go as they did last year, and they will have control
67 It might be more that we might think but it is still pretty damn low.
Perhaps I can also add my clarification.
Just for the record, as far as I know, **SeanT** is NOT a juicer. He has never been associated with JUICING in any way, and any idea that he, SeanT, is INDEED a JUICER, must be erased from the mind.
SeanT is not a JUICER.
I’ll say it one more time, there is absolutely no LINK between SeanT and the truly repulsive sexual act of JUICING.
For anyone who is unaware of what JUICING is (apart an activity LINKED, by some foolish people, to Mr SeanT) see here:
http://tinyurl.com/377jg9
But please, enough attempts to smear SeanT with this JUICING rumour. It’s not working.
Only here could “trickle down” and “juicers” mingle on the one thread….
70 So long as Monica Lewinsky does not get entwined into the thread-that would be transgressing human decency,by a fair furlong
58. Doesn’t surprise me Sean. Given the opinion polls we’re seeing at the moment, Labour is clearly in for a very difficult election on May 1st.
72-Has there been any study made out there yet?
‘Politico Wire’ is reporting that the ‘Evan-Novak Report’ is indicating that Rob Portman, former Ohio Congressman, is strongly favoured to be a candidate for McCain’s Veep.
Out with the washing on the betting front …. indeed his laundry hasn’t even seen the dolly tub yet !!
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/03/26/portman_seen_as_likely_mccain_veep.html
Party identification trends from Pew:
http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/773-2.gif
74. An ex-health insurance industry lobbyist is just what you want in an election where healthcare is a major issue.
Socrates
You are so sharp. It’s always a pleasure to read your posts. Are you based in the USA for the whole year?
Malcolm
I have heard, in no uncertain terms, that Hillary has never been caught in an uncompromising position with a variety of farmyard animals, and therefore has had no need to have people killed to cover it up.
@66: That Ultimate Juicer looks like K9 joined the KKK. The dirty little racist pervy robotic git.
This on the Spectator Coffee House Blog…. Simple politics, but good politics.
‘Today Boris has pledged to scrap Ken Livingstone’s “newspaper” The Londoner, and use the money to plant an extra 10,000 trees throughout the capital. It’s a simple but effective proposal. For starters, I doubt anyone will miss the most disingenuous rag since Pravda stopped operating. And secondly, it’s a plan which slices right through Livingstone’s green rhetoric. The message from Boris is: “He talks green. I do green, and I’ll plant the trees to prove it”. The more he gets this across, the more voters will follow CoffeeHouser J H Holloway’s lead by questioning Ken’s existing green agenda.’
Rob Portman does fit with the ‘VP needs experience with telecos’ test but my money is on Lieberman or Condi.
75.
I think there were similar figures in 1980 when Reagan crushed Carter. In reality there is little correlation between congressional voting (which is the strongest measure of party ID)and Presidential voting. The correlation is something very weak like 0.27.
http://tinyurl.com/257aoe
Yet another newspaper moves over to support the Tories.
82. I certainly looks as though from the center ground, Cameron is beginning to build a coalition from all political spectrums - Which of course is what Tony Blair was so good at. Of course, he will never win over all Labour and Lib-Dem supporters, but he doesn’t have to. He just needs to win over enough to secure a majority.
At this rate it won’t matter what electoral system Brown impliments to try and cling on to his majority.
82. Since Ave it is not around, in homage…
Tories take Moscow.
82. It would seem that Brown’s star is waning!
;o)
83. Perhaps he’ll bring in One Man One Vote. The One Man being Gordon Brown!
@85:
Gordon’s Brown Star left loose and torn by years of abuse?
84 - TY for keeping me in your thoughts…
CON GAIN ALL LD SEATS: 2010
87 he could be nancy!
Just been watching PMQ. I presume that’s Shaun Woodward on GB’s left - but where’s his hair gone?
88 Ave It 08 - good to see you around - I’d feared that supporing Watford may have pushed you over the edge….
91 it has.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
nudge. nudge. wink. wink.
Know what i mean?
81. You should be very careful analysing historical trends. The collapse of the Democrat vote in 1980 was due to mistakes in office regarding the Iranian hostage crisis and stagflation - it’s hard to make those mistakes in opposition because you’re not held responsible. There’s also the fact that 1980 still had many allegiances left over from the New Deal coalition, where Southerners could consider themselves Democrat, but dislike liberals like Carter. Modern party identification is much more polarised around the liberal-conservative axis.
Congressional and Presidential identification is often weakly correlated because they follow different cycles, thus anti-incumbency factors can work in two directions. However, this time round the GOP have held both congress (up to 2006) and the presidency for very long periods, so the demand for change will work in both. In an era of 24 hour cable news, people are also focussing at the national (and particularly the presidential) level much more than they have done historically when their main media access was local TV and newspapers, and identifications will reflect that.
However, having said that, McCain won’t get devastated as long as he can maintain an image of being an independent, as he’s currently considered. However, the funding comes from the wings, so he’s going to have to tread a tightrobe of being right-wing to marginal groups in meetings, without it getting coverage in the national media.
77. Thanks for the kind words, but I’m very much aware I’m a second rank poster compared to people like Jan from Norway or David Herdson!
I’m going to be in the US of A for another two months or so.
“…..it’s hard to make those mistakes in opposition because you’re not held responsible” Not in the UK its not - Its clearly all Cameron’s fault. Gordon said so at PMQ’s today .
Nick next time you see Gordon, you do see Gordon don’t you Nick, tell him it would be better to forget about the last Conservative government and just talk about what the present Government is trying to do now.
marquee mark - great lyrics!
97 ta!
Guido’s is perhaps a bit more tolerant of the odd rude word than our genial barman here…
79
Great move by Boris,can’t think that anyone will miss it except the recyclers.
Define a scandal….
For any Villa (I believe there is one or two on here) or Fulham fans, your managers have no notion getting rid of Stephen Davis.
That kid is electric.
100 ….. with a mean cueing action too.
Stephen “Interesting…..very interesting!” Davis.
(with apologies to both Spitting Image and Barry Davies)
Latest figures for favourability ratings say Obama’s negative rating has gone up only four points after the Reverend Wrigth scandal. MSNBC reporting that these four points came almost entirely from those that identified themselves as conservative, mostly Southern whites. Chuck Todd saying that he lost nothing in the West or Midwest.
101, 102, Children please…different spelling…smart arses the pair of ye.
I also know which one I want play on a football pitch!
Mike Gravel leaving the Democratic party to join the Libertarians.
100. Well personally speaking I am a Baggies fan, at least until after the FA Cup semifinal on April 5th. My 125/1 free bet on Albion is strangely drawing my attention towards this competition.
Ironically they were my team when they won the FA Cup 40 years ago. Being rather fickle, I swapped to them that year because they were my best school friend’s side. It would be rather sweet if my second act of treachery was rewarded with a further bit of silverware and a big fat cheque!
106. Aye the guilt of treachery is often assauged by a bit of cash I’ll give you that.
What you make of Chris Brunt? He’s a bit of ball greedy chancer but his quality sometimes is really high.
66.
JackW, there are still those of us who believe that contraption is used merely to produce an innocent smoothie. 
Last night it was more like Guido’s, and today I thought I had stumbled into Viz online.
102.I watched a repeat of spitting image for the first time in years last night. Oh the memories! Mrs T and her side kick from Chingford, would Brown and Balls be portrayed in a similar light I wonder?
Re 28, Socrates, “We should instead be concentrating on improving schools and lowering crime in downtrodden minority areas.”
How about doing that in just downtrodden areas no matter what sort of people live there?
109. Indeed.
106 Well personally speaking I am a Baggies fan
Fickle or what? I can’t believe I’m reading this - Villa go five games without a win and stjohn denies any affinity with them!
108 Chris - Spitting Image repeats - are these on the internet or satellite please?
107. Yokel. Despite my enthusiasm for the game I am not very well informed. I will have to get back to you on Chis Brunt once I have spoken to my nine year old expert who is currently sleeping off his disappointment following England’s poor show against France.
What he doesn’t know about Football is only matched by his ignorance of matters scholastic.
STV strikes again! Utterly unbelievable. Row over vote on independence
“The Single Transferable Vote (STV) system, which was used for council elections last year, could mean the Scottish Government being given a mandate to negotiate independence on the basis of second choices, once the votes behind the least popular option are redistributed.
Tory leader Annabel Goldie said: “You do not decide the destiny of a country on the basis of the second best or least-worst option. This is tripe - the wild words of a panicking man.”
Can we also start using STV to decide the outcome of Scotland football matches too please?
113. Ya only need to knwo enough to make it interesting and profitable. Like me and a lot of sports…and politics in fact.
Save the poor kid the pain of disappointment get him to support Northern Ireland……..expectations are so low to begin with that its hard to be disappointed. I’d have sold my soul to have us win 4-1 in a friendly against Georgia a few years back.
112.On SKY Peter, I am told that it was a best of British comedy thingy on Paramount. If you remember that time, it still works really well.
Re 61, Aaron “I believe SeanT was talking about tromboning, and made it very clear that no candidate, especially not HRC, had ever been associated with it.”
Dare I ask what tromboning is?
I’m grateful to Anthony Wells on the previous thread for his assessment of the SNP’s prospects at the next GE.
Like me, he reckons their minimum seats tally is likely to be 7 and might well be a few more. A buy at around 7 therefore sounds like near free money to me - OK it’s not the most exciting bet in the world if their realistic target is only around 10 seats, but there again, they may surprise and unusually for a spread bet, this is one with apparently very little downside.
117 Not sure either you or I need to know about this Benedict, but I’m sure it’s very rude so probably best left in ignorance.
114 - does the pools panel use STV?
116 Many thanks Chris - yes, I remember it well. I think it worked so well because of the truly excellent puppets as well as there being a number of highly recognisable political characters of that particular period, including and especially “She who must be obeyed”.
120. God knows how they decide Spot The Ball…
Who makes up their panel of experts, does anyone know any of them?
Could you imagine saying that was your job, it’d be great. If you had a crap week you could spite the vast majority of the public by saying the ball was somewhere totally ridiculous just to be vindictive.
121.Peter, I was surprised the characters and jokes had stood the test of time so well.
“She who must be obeyed”.
What would the team do with today’s politicians?
117/119 - I’m not even sure if it is anything - maybe that was the point
121 - Spitting Image started very funny. The portrayal of some characters was very influential - remember the spitting Hattersley? Or David Mellor with bad breath? And the Davids?
As time went by, each new series would have two great opening episodes and the rest of the series would lapse into dull childish mediocrity. When it was culled, it was not before time.
120.I am no fan of STV, I don’t think it works well in my type of sprawling rural constituency. But the thought of using it to decide the future of the Union really is tripe.
125.”And the Davids?” Last night we saw David Owen running around the HoC changing party rosettes as he had a debate with himself. I did find that a wee bit ironic considering politics today.
122 I remember when I was a junior articled clerk, many moons ago and as such for one particular football season I was entrusted to complete the office entry for the local rag’s weekly “Spot the Ball” competition. This involved choosing a favoured area, usually comprising about 4 sq. inches of the photograph and literally using a matrix of pinpricks to cover this area with hundreds and hundreds of crosses, using multiple entries.
Although, just occasionally, we selected the correct area, only once in the entire season, did we win a minor runner’s up prize of £10, having invested many,many times that amount on entries. I recall that for that one week being a true hero throughout the office!
Re 110, Socrates, fair enough,
Re 112, Peter from Putney “Fickle or what? I can’t believe I’m reading this - Villa go five games without a win and stjohn denies any affinity with them!”
Well, the cock does not crow for a while, and he need only deny them twice more
re 117, Peter from Putney “117 Not sure either you or I need to know about this Benedict, but I’m sure it’s very rude so probably best left in ignorance.”
130 Quite so, Benedict - but that’s more my territory isn’t it, as opposed to stjudas?
131 Oops, my 131 referred to Benedict’s 129.
re 131, Peter from Putney “Quite so, Benedict - but that’s more my territory isn’t it, as opposed to stjudas?”
Yes, but then perhaps the story needs updating
133 Yes, but then perhaps the story needs updating.
Well certainly we no longer have cockerels crowing on every street corner, if that’s what you mean!
Just off to read tomorrow’s papers, I’ll get back if there’s anything of major political interest, otherwise it’s goodnight from me.
Re 135, Peter from Putney “Just off to read tomorrow’s papers, I’ll get back if there’s anything of major political interest, otherwise it’s goodnight from me.”
And its good night from me
There must be a bit of confusion floating around the air today because I have just read through two threads and found people who seem to think that (a) The UKIP is anti-European and (b) the BNP is patriotic.
I predict that Hilllary Cllinton will be exposed as an alien hippopotamus from the Andromeda Galaxy who has been sent to Earth as part of an intergalactic religious fundamentalist plot to destroy civilisation.
I predict that Tom Daley will come 5th in the Olympics and will therefore miss out on a medal by 2 places.