Conservatives lead by 5 with Ipsos-MORI
April 3rd, 2008
Con 40 (+1), Lab 35 (-2) Lib Dem 18 (+2)
The March Political Monitor out today from Ipsos MORI shows the Conservatives with a 5 point lead in voting intention, ahead of Labour on 35 and the Lib Dems on 18. The Tory lead is thus up three when compared to the February poll.
Elsewhere in the poll, net personal ratings were -39 for the government, -31 for Brown, +4 for Cameron, and -7 for Clegg.
The quota sample was 1,983 and the fieldwork dates were 13-18 March - further analysis available at the UK Polling Report.
Paul Maggs “Double Carpet”
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Ken Livingstone has dismissed claims that revelations that he has five children by three different women will affect his mayoral campaign.
Is Brown really at minus 31? Where was he in February?
Apologies for my lack of knowledge but is this the Labour-leaning poll? I thought the lead was more.
1. Is that true? Do you have a link?
-31. Oh dear. Still they can’t complained that they weren’t warned about Gordon. Certainly by me on this site.
Channel 4 news
Had been looking at Guido’s site, and noticed that some logo designer for No 10 has slipped up, looks like a scribbe but there is a blue swastika.
http://progov.pm.gov.uk/discuss/
4
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7329369.stm
6. Meh. Wouldn’t matter to me, don’t think it’ll effect more than the blue rinse. Of course neither Boris nor Paddick have been a paragon of “family values” either.
Gordon net change is -7, since Feb. ouch.
SuperDave is +4.
5 by 3 women. God, how many has Clegg had?
Boris, family values eeerrrrrrrr Petronella Wyatt anyone?
To answer my own question (having availed myself of the MORI link in the right-hand column!), Brown was on -24 in February. That means that in the last month his satisfaction rating has gone down by 7 (to -31 overall) while Cameron’s has gone up by 4 (to +4 overall).
What’s the point of a 2 week old poll which appears to overstate Labour. Have they been paid to find this information out? Highway robbery.
And Ken Livingstone is knocking out more kids than a sperm donor. Shocking.
Some parts of Livingstone’s vote are very family values orientated.
15. It may say less about ‘family values’ than his general attitude toward the fairer sex..there were hints in this direction in the description of his behaviour during the ‘concentration camp guard’ party….
14 Mori conduct this monitor poll every month and then try to find a buyer for it often unsuccessfully . This explains the often 2 week delay between polling and publication .
Note the Scottish subsample Lab 39 SNP 21 LibDem 19 Con 18 . This is the 2nd admittedly small subsample in a row to show LibDem support in Scotland well up . Plaid on 9% in the even smaller Welsh subsample .
Latin name for the common newt? Triturus vulgaris. How apt.
Central probabilistic forecast (Mori)
Con 288
Lab 279
LD 45
Nats 17 (assumes SNP +15%)
Oth 3
NI 13 (SF abstain)
6-poll rolling average
Con 331
Lab 231
LD 45
Nats 22
Oth 3
NI 13
Con Maj 17
The Mori Other figure is extraordinarily low (7%), the difference entirely to the benefit of Labour. The Tory and LD figures are perfectly consistent with the past 19 polls (The Tory figure alone is consistent with the past 26 polls).
My best guess of current voting position is 41:30:18…
-31 looks quite good IMO. The guy really is very poor in every which way, and has no redeeming qualities. A loser with a capital L.
Seriously, I think those who say they are positive are just saying so because of sympathy
19- Rod- I just cannot see that the Labour vote is 30 or above at the minute. May is going to see them polling in the very low 20’s national share.
Brown is a dead man walking. The only point of interest is whether he hangs around until the next election. If so 2 years of Brown water torture awaits.
21 You think the LDs will outpoll them WRT PV
21. I still think Straw could step in on health grounds. Regular posters will know I’m a long time backer of his.
I heard an allegation that Gordon gets 2 hours sleep a night. It can’t go on forever.
17. If they needed a buyer, wouldn’t they want to make it a little extreme so papers can sell more?
The Great Inflation Con-Trick
http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/31/magazines/fortune/spiers_cpi.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2008040305
I say the time has come to put the central bankers’ heads on the block. They are so utterly corrupt and incompetent, it makes a mockery of our system of government. How can we hand control of financial policy to a set of unelected bankers with a vested interest in wrecking the economy, through a short-sighted deception over inflation, and fast-and-loose monetary policy?
Bailing out mismanaged Bear Stearns is a scandal - it’s not even a commercial bank, it has no customers amongst the general public. It has no consumer depositers. Bailing it out is blatant corruption. Stealing taxpayers money to cover-up mismanaged investment banks is a scandal.
Above, leading economists agree inflation is out-of-control, and the published figure is highly misleading. The only one’s disagreeing, are those on the payroll of the investment banks, whose fast-and-loose lending practices are wrecking our economy, through causing the biggest asset-price bubble in the world.
by Practical People April 3rd, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Livingstone should be worried about this report in the Standard. Makes him look like just another snake oil salesman of with a socialist patter:
“Ken Livingstone was accused of “rank hypocrisy” over his cheap homes policy today after it emerged he had personally agreed to a huge residential development.
Despite the Mayor’s own target that 50 per cent of new homes in London should be “affordable”, not one of the 800 flats in Victoria was earmarked as low-cost.”
17 What is the total Wales subsample. By the way can we expect your Leader to show up in the Capital to celebrate your seemingly inevitable triumph in Cardiff Council on May 2
Ken Leavingsoon….
27,17. Well the Lib Dems are already the largest party in Cardiff anyway. Plaid Cymru don’t really matter. They are near irrelevant in Cardiff.
21. You may be right, but based on polling evidence it’s just over 30%. I can only report what the polls show..
24 I don’t think Mori look at their Monitor polls in that way . It is the longest running series of polls with unchanged methodology and as such irrespective of a pro Labour bias because of lack of weighting it has much useful information .
26. Aren’t individual builds irrelevant so long as 50% of the overall builds are low cost. So if Ken also gave the nod to 800 low cost flats as well? Or am i missing something?
BREAKING WIND NEWS **** BREAKING WIND NEWS **** BREAKING WIND NEWS
The breaking news is that WIND is reporting to JNN the contents of a new ARSE poll of polls that comprises ICM, Populus, YouGov, CR and MORI that gives :
Con 40% .. Lab 31.6% .. LibDem 18.4% .. Others 10%.
The PISSED Wells/Baxter Index with added SOAMES weighting shows :
Con 311 seats .. Lab 258 .. LibDem 48 .. Others 33.
Con 15 seats short of a majority.
……………………..
Sources :
WIND ….. Whimsical Independent News Division.
JNN …… Jacobite News Network.
ARSE ….. Anonymous Random Selection of Electors.
PISSED … Political Intelligence Seat Selector Election Determinator
SOAMES …System Of Amending Measured Election Scores
17.Mark, these samples are so small as to be meaningless. I am sorry but the Libdems are not on 19%, just 3 behind the SNP in Scotland at the moment.
32 - Ken’s normal position is that all housing developments should include low cost housing to aid social cohesion. Not one area exclusively occupied by rich people, and another by poor people.
29 I went to Cardiff a couple of months back - I clearly went to the wrong part as I thought it was a horrible place but everyone tells me how nice it is.
Now I know it is run by the LDs it was clearly my internal Yellow Peril Monitor on full alert!!
If Mark Senior reads this - I saw your laughable tories to win 280 seats bet offer. Come back with something realistic, say 120 tory gains and you have a bet. Don’t see why you won’t take up the 280 tory seats bet though. In the past you have often talked of how unlikely that is, based on your in-depth analysis of local election performance.
Indeed most of your posts are about how unlikely it is that the tories will make ANY gains, what with them all being baby eating, peasant-baiting, bread roll throwing neanderthals.
34 I would agree but your fellow Scot Stuart Dickson always quotes them when they have LibDems on 11% .
35. Oh, I see. Good position. But if this new block of flats was in a traditionally poor area wouldn’t he still be meeting his aim?
7. Do you think this is subliminal advertising aimed at the hardcore BNP vote?
Perhaps Nick P would like to comment on Gordon’s Swastika site?
38 - Judge for yourself
34. Agreed. People are just wasting their time looking at sub-samples of individual polls. Save yourselves the trouble. They are of zero statistical value..
35. That’s a very intelligent position and one agreed to by people I know in the estate renovation business. Ideally, the individual lowcost houses should also be dispersed among nicer places.
39. It’s pointing the wrong way for a swastika.
36 kingbongo 280 was the figure you quoted and I thought it referred to local election gains in seats mea culpa for misunderstanding you . Yes you have a bet on 120 gains £ 10 if you want it .
Affordabale housing?
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23420606-details/Candys+build+social+homes+two+miles+away/article.do
21- I think there is a strong possibility that the LD’s will out poll Labour in May. Interesting days indeed, but Labour at the minute is facing the precipice if it keeps Brown.
Surprised there ain’t more comment on the Ken ‘Five Kids’ Livingstone revelations.
Extraordinary. We all knew he was a bit of a chancer but… five children? Perhaps this is his way of getting the Brixton babyfather vote.
Alternatively, it is his way of guaranteeing he loses in May. I think this is pretty bad for him. The Guardian poll, today, says that a lot of Livingstone’s remaining support comes from women who prefer him to Bozza. Will women feel the same when they hear that the Mayor has basically impregnated half of Barnet?
Heh.
[7] “Had been looking at Guido’s site, and noticed that some logo designer for No 10 has slipped up, looks like a scribbe but there is a blue swastika.
http://progov.pm.gov.uk/discuss/
Definitely a swastika.
H Rodham Clinton back in the 120s on IEM.
Malcolm
43 “39. It’s pointing the wrong way for a swastika.”
Is that like saying, “its the wrong way round to be an arrow”?
or wrong way round to be a circle…
43. Not so. A Swastika is a Swastika whatever way round it is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
How would N Ireland mp’s vote in a hung Parliament?
New Insider Advantage/Majority Opinion Poll for Pennsylvania :
Clinton 45.3% .. Obama 42.4%.
Note - Obama only polling 55% with black voters and Clinton 29%. Recent scores have been around 90/10.
http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/downloads/uploaded/33_InsiderAdvantage_Majority_Opinion_PA_Dem_Poll_(4-3-2008).pdf
Fascinating.
McCain graduated at flight school in Annapolis.
So how did he do? He graduated 894th out of a class of 899.
Some bright guy, McCain. He really is the next boy Bush, well old guy Bush.
Malcolm
52 I would guess whichever of the main two parties holding most seats;it is possible the NI contigent,excluding the 5 Sinners who abstain would be one of the first ports of call for a newly elected minority government
Pretty good poll for the Conservatives this. For MORI to have them at 40% or more, even these days, is quite significant, I think. MORI’s methodology is rather unfavourable to the Tories, so this is quite a good number for them to be on with MORI.
Will Govenor Ed Rendell deliver Pennsylvania for Hillary :
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1727469,00.html
Reuters reporting that John Edwards would decline, if offered by either camp, the Veep spot. Neither will he endorse either Obama or Clinton :
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0336718220080403?sp=true
43 “It’s pointing the wrong way for a swastika.
http://progov.pm.gov.uk/discuss/ ”
The Nazi Swastika is Black - Gordon Brown’s swastika is blue.
Hillary drifting down to the low teens on the Iowa exchanges and the ‘Hillary Deathwatch’ nudges 9.0% !! :
http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/quotes/Nomination08_quotes.html
http://www.slate.com/id/2188151/
53. interesting, that poll has obama winning among hispanics, is the richardson endorsement having an effect? either way it looks like Pennsylvania is neck and neck now.
50, 51, 59. Well yes a swastika can point anyway in the Hindu tradition, but the Nazi symbol virtually always pointed the same way. However, I’m wrong anyway, because people meant the blue thing (which I didn’t see as it looks like a square) whereas I thought they were talking about the curvy purplish thing.
61 Pennsylvania is neck and neck now = cheerio Hillary
17. Mark are you trying to upset Stuart Dickson!
54 “So how did he do? He graduated 894th out of a class of 899.”
Is that the same Malcom who said his Millionaire friend doesnt like McCain? What is it with Lefties and their Millionaire chums?
Should we start a campaign to have Shagger Ken newtered?
54 “So how did he do? He graduated 894th out of a class of 899.”
Hmm, perhaps McCain was better on Leadership, Honesty & Integrity than he was at Aeronautical theory, Astoral Navigation and Meteorology?
The US voters will decide what they want in a President.
61. That’s the only explanation for it. Does anyone have any theories why Clinton’s doing so well among blacks?
63. This is looking like the beginning of the end. She might even withdraw after PA if its within 6 points or less. If it’s above that she’ll probably stagger on to Indiana/North Carolina.
67. On integrity? That’s why his entire campaign team are ex-lobbyists?
62 One of the oddest things about Brent North was that you would walk down a street and find every single house decorated with swastikas, because of the big Hindu population. BNP canvassers who might initially think they’d struck electoral gold there, would get a nasty shock.
66 Eugenics is not very on-message in todays touchy-feely society:wink:
43 “It’s pointing the wrong way for a swastika.
http://progov.pm.gov.uk/discuss/ ”
Black Swastika or Gordon Brown’s Blue Swastika, whoever put that swastika up, knew what they were doing.
47 - Lee Jasper’s got nine children.
I don’t know how many mothers were involved, but it’s certain that I pay for his state-sponsored breeding.
I think he’s taking the p1ss, quite frankly.
70 Yes we know that the swastika has a different meaning in the East - but this is the Office of the British Prime Minister.
whoever put the swastika up, knew what they were doing.
68 Socrates. She isn’t. This poll like most others has substantially underestimated both Obama’s strength in numbers and turnout in the black community.
21 Tyson, ….With this sort of pathetic behaviour I think low 20’s is an over-estimate
http://broganblog.dailymail.co.uk/
62 “the Nazi symbol virtually always pointed the same way”
Clearly that is not true.
On every flipside of a Clockwise Swastika Flag, is a Counter Clockwise Swastika.
71 Ken’s clearly quite touchy feely…!
ABC reporting that Clinton raised $50M !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh …. sorry …. not on fundraising during March …. No no ….. something entirely different.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4581608&page=1
It isnt possible to shout on a forum, so i shall use capitals.
GORDON BROWN IS USING A SWASTIKA ON HIS WEBSITE!
I’ll repeat again regarding Obama, anyone looking at the polls for him versus McCain and thinking that McCain stands a good chance should refer to what happens to the polls when Obama starts focusing his campaign to wherever it’s needed. Tread carefully and time when you are going to lay off sooner rather than later.
80 - It’s clearly a swastika, someone’s going to get it in the neck for that.
Bless Gordon, he’s so hapless isn’t he? I’m not sure he personally approved the Swastika, but that it actually got as far as being on the website demonstrates that the Number 10 Team are basically atrocious.
Meanwhile …. Randi (stop tittering in the stalls) Rhodes of ‘Air America Radio network likens Hillary to a substantial lady of easy virtue …. or something of the sort !!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/03/air-america-host-randi-rh_n_94863.html
How do I complain about swastikas on Government documents to Trevor Philips?
65 A Man Named Bolted Horse
No I guess not because my name is spelled M A L C O L M.
So Malcom must be somebody else.
Tomorrow I’ll be doing my usual stint at our Catholic Church, feeding the hungry and homeless; and I’m delighted to count many of our clients as my friends as well.
Us lefties are like that; friends from every part of the social and economic spectrum. Mind you I’ve know Tories who have quite liked their servants.
67 Perhaps if he’d been better at Aeronautical theory, Astoral Navigation and Meteorology he wouldn’t have been shot down. As for integrity, is he still in favour of his immigrant legislation or against it at the moment? I just can’t keep up with his flip-flopping.
Malcolm
How could they miss it. Its clearly just a gaffe, but according to Peter Riddell in today’s Times, they look increasingly gaffe-prone.
Not sure it will be picked up very widely.
86. Depends if it works its way onto the blogs. If political correspondants pick it up they’ll have a field day.
re 80 you could use bold or even bold, italics but not sure about underlined bold italics
re 88 obviously the underlining doesn’t work
52. The SDLP take the Labour whip. They will probably hold two seats next time. (add two to my forecasts)
80. So what. Rudyard Kipling had it on his coat of arms and every one of his books had swastika symbols on it.
85.’Us lefties are like that; friends from every part of the social and economic spectrum. Mind you I’ve know Tories who have quite liked their servants.’
What a very silly unChristian thing to say.
47.”Surprised there ain’t more comment on the Ken ‘Five Kids’ Livingstone revelations.”
Its a revelation to me, but then I don’t live in London, I thought he only had a two young children? Is this news to most Londoners?
JackW
Keep them coming, us oldens love all this positive stuff for H Rodham Clinton. As for Randi Rhodes, I’d have promoted her. Mind you I guess she’s not the first to have been suspended for telling the truth. Virtually every top US General who has spoken the truth about Iraq has himself quickly retiring to his garden.
Malcolm
90. Kipling predated Hitler though Rod, didn’t he?
Well i had to strain to work out what you were all talking about - looked like a catherine wheel to me
I think you need a dose of the esure advert - Calm down…..
90. Rudyard Kipling was working sometime before the swastika took on such negative connotations in the West that it’s still impossible to use without inferring some sort of Nazi link. He didn’t know what the Nazi insignia was going to be; the Cabinet Office really should be aware of what it was and how things can look like one even if they weren’t designed as such.
I thought the first thing any graphic/logo designer taking on a government job should be told is “design nothing, absolutely nothing, that could in any way, shape or form resemble a swastika”!
The swastika is definitely deliberate. Next week: Gordon Brown announces that The Triumph of the Will to be shown to all schoolchildren.
92. You can be sure the Standard will lead with it tomorrow. Because it IS news to Londoners - and it will be news to Ken’s morally conservative, family-values-conscious supporters in the ethnic minorities.
‘Political Wire’ have an advance look at a new Strategic Vision Poll for Pennsylvania. No link to the poll. Headline figures :
McCain 41% .. Clinton 47%
McCain 47% .. Obama 42%
Clinton 49% .. Obama 41%
Down from 19% two weeks ago.
Benedict Brogan with news of Drama in Parliament Square.
Tax rebellion latest. Geoff Hoon and his buddies sound like they have been busy…
If a swastika-like symbol appeared on something connected to David Cameron and the Tories I wonder if Labour would have anything to say about it. Just musing…
99.So how the hell has he managed to keep this so quiet and why?
85 Perhaps if he’d been better at Aeronautical theory, Astoral Navigation and Meteorology he wouldn’t have been shot down
Yes Malcom. Once again you miss the point. If he would have come top of his class.
But he isnt applying to be BBC weather man or Easy Jet pilot…
“92. You can be sure the Standard will lead with it tomorrow. Because it IS news to Londoners - and it will be news to Ken’s morally conservative, family-values-conscious supporters in the ethnic minorities.”
I have spoken to many friends from the “etnic minorites” and we don’t give a crap about Ken’s private life. He’s no different to most African, Caribbean and even some Asian men. As long as he looked after them (which Im sure he has it’s frankly no one else’s business). Ken is the best Mayor BME Londoners are ever going to get. If you thin we will throw away 40 years of loyalty to him now you are deluded.
85 Perhaps if he’d been better at Aeronautical theory, Astoral Navigation and Meteorology he wouldn’t have been shot down
If McCain were a Leftie, he would have stayed at home, aiding the enemy while someone else dies protecting his Right to Free Speech.
Remember Malcom, if a man isnt a leftie when he is 20, he has no heart. If he isnt a Conservative when he is 30, he has no head.
102. I can imagine it already. Chipmunk Blears or Harperson: “It clearly demonstrates that the Tories really haven’t changed. There are still clear signs of bigotry.” Wash, rinse, repeat…
103. If you provide enough material, some is bound to go under the radar.
Ken is a Brownite. Bury bad news under more bad news.
95.The problem is that most people who have been drawn to look at it have already been influenced by the word swastika, and it therefore does immediately resemble one to them.
Re the swastika - it’s probably a deliberate ‘mistake’ to raise the issue and therefore remind the people, via media reports, that anti-immigration (which = fascism) should not be discussed or debated, especially at a time when parliament, following their Lords’ conclusions, has never been weaker on on the pro-immigration policy.
91- onward christian soldiers!!
sally- another reason why I could never vote Tory.
Roll on grandpa Malcolm- rapidly becoming the most exciting newcomer (or oldcomer) to grace the pastures of pbCOM.
102 If a swastika-like symbol appeared on something connected to David Cameron and the Tories I wonder if Labour would have anything to say about it.
There are no stupid questions.
But if you dont know the answer to that one, you really are dumb.
another great day for the government. they go from strength to strength. tax rebellions, swastikas and hidden child poverty stats. we were reassured by someone recently that there is no panic in the PLP and that all is well. ho ho ho
105. I’ll take a guess and say you and your friends are boys.
103. I’ve no idea. According to Channel 4 News it was “common knowledge in political circles” that Ken had ONE extra baby, apart from the brace of acknowledged offspring. But no one guessed there were TWO more - on top of that.
105. So Ken’s behaviour is acceptable to blacks because it’s the way black men behave? And it’s acceptable to Muslims cause it’s,well, kinda polygamous? Right? Is that what you’re saying?
This may go down well with the etnic minorities - though I’m not convinced you can really speak for all of them. Either way I’m not sure it’s going to go down so well with… er…. women.
That’s quite a large part of the electorate.
With Texas Obama only got close in the last few days before the primary vote, and then lost it on the day. These recent Penn. polls show him closing so fast with so much time left that he may well pull ahead before 22 April.
Even if Clinton has her late mini-surge it may well be too litle too late.
The media have all saying that this would have to be a 20% plus for Clinton, but at best she might scrape it.
It won’t matter anyway because she will get hammered in N.Carolina.
Are there any closet Hillary supporters on this site?
I have lost count of the Obamites!
102 Whenever Labour get caught stealing or using Nazi Logos as their Logos, the best they can do is point fingers at other people.
Labour is like a small child - unable to comprehend that it ever need take responsibility for its Nazi actions.
Labour is not fit to represent Britain.
113- don’t forget Brown’s silly stance on cannabis, pathetic, unworkable announcements on pharmacists- and another day passes inept Gordon.
Swastika has 2 forms - left-pointing good, right-pointing evil. Not recorded (I believe) whether Nazis chose right- pointing deliberately or in ignorance. There was no “back” to the Nazi flag, it was double-sided.No.10 has chosen the evil version - they can’t get anything right(unless of course the designer was a Tory, and knew what a clueless bunch he was dealing with. A nice thought.)
111 “Roll on grandpa Malcolm- rapidly becoming the most exciting newcomer (or oldcomer) to grace the pastures of pbCOM.
He certainly is (unwittingly) funny.
Malcom’s reply to “if a man isnt a leftie when he is 20, he has no heart. If he isnt a Conservative when he is 30, he has no head.”
is…
“Well I am over 60. So tell me why I should be a Conservative?”
Excellent rib tickling stuff.
Lefties have no sense of humour, but they can be funny to laugh at
116- Paul I crossed the floor about 2 weeks ago to Obama. Horrible feeling thinking that I am fighting the same corner as seanT and others, but there you go. Politics takes you to some wierd places.
120 “Lefties have no sense of humour, but they can be funny to laugh at
Except when Labour is adopting Nazi symbols as their own.
The merging of Labour and Nazi symbols really isnt funny. Everyone shpould know about it.
115.”This may go down well with the etnic minorities - though I’m not convinced you can really speak for all of them. Either way I’m not sure it’s going to go down so well with… er…. women.”
I agree, I love the irony of this dismissal of the story on the coffee house blog “First of all, Ken can’t be accused of hypocrisy—he is hardly a family values politician. Second, none of the other major campaigns are going to want to go anywhere near this story.”
I would imagine some women will have even more of a problem with the fact that this has been kept a secret, that says more about Livingston than anything else.
112: ‘But if you dont know the answer to that one, you really are dumb.’
Wooaa, easy there Dobbin! I was, er, being a touch ironic.
120- to be frank Bolted I think you are bit mad in an endearingly loony, kind of mad way. And for that reason I very much enjoy reading your posts, one of my favourites on pbCOM.
123 As a Mysogynist and user of women, he can be called a hypocrit.
The way Livingstone talks to women that he would like to relieve himself on is not new.
However, talking feminism while abuses a position of power is another thing.
124. Oh. Ok. Sorry. Carry on.
125 You’re welcome. Now, lets back to the fact that Gordon Brown is using a Swastika on his website.
If you havent seen it, click here…http://progov.pm.gov.uk/discuss/
no, here http://progov.pm.gov.uk/discuss/
111. I think you’ll find Malcolm brought up his Catholic ‘churchiness’.
I thought we had already established on a previous thread that Cathlics have Labour tendencies and their church is growing. The CofE on the other hand, is on its knees.
Therefore, the church is going against national trends. Labour are on the up and Tories and the Church, on the decline.
Therefore as a committed atheist…on the forced choice question, you must be a Tory ….one of those real people/real problems ones, of course.
I think you call them ‘Tories minus the b*ll*x’.
[I am not suggesting that makes you a Tory without testicles].
Pollsters fall out …. small earthquake in their margins of error !!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23939094/
115: I AM a woman!
132 Hear me Roar!
You will all be glad to know I have passed the link on to the newsdesk here. Maybe we’ll get something in the paper about it.
New thread - Will the Ken revelations have any impact on the race?
Thanks
Double Carpet
123: “I would imagine some women will have even more of a problem with the fact that this has been kept a secret, that says more about Livingston than anything else.”
I have just read that Ken’s other children are distraught at having their private lives exposed.
This story is a non story and will be dead by tomorrow lunch time.
If Boris Johnson supproters really want to start talking private lives I really don’t think your own colourful candidate will appreciate it.
This election is about issues, issues and issues.
130 I thought we had already established on a previous thread that Cathlics have Labour tendencies and their church is growing.
You cant just ‘establish’ something like that. Its why there are polls, with margin of error and all that kind of thing.
Many Irish Catholics are Labour, true. But in Ireland, Catholecism is more about tribalism than religion.
Poles, on the other hand, cannot stand Lefties on account of how they invaded their country in 1939. To add insult to injury, for 50 years British Lefties supported the occupation of their country.
130 “I thought we had already established on a previous thread that Cathlics have Labour tendencies”
Then there is the issue of abortion. Labour, Ken and lefties in general and very in favour of killing unborn babies as an issue of ‘choice’.
132. I have many Asian girl friends [manly Sikh] who know that they are expected to live by different standards and they are just thrilled about it.
And I AM a man!
GRAND NATIONAL.
OK now I have researched it and I have placed my first bet. I have backed DUN DOIRE at 25/1 with vc.bet. If he falls, which includes unseated rider, refused, brought down or slipped up then vc.bet will give me a free bet to the value of my losing stake, win or each way up to a maximum of £50 per bet.
The support for Obama intrigues me. Is it possibly to do with a combination of underdog, unloved favourite, exceptional talent, charisma, even being black?
Is it his portrayal of coming from nowhere and achieving possible greatness?. But Major did that here and I loathed him!
Or is it that he is so removed from Bush he must be OK!!
Where do senior politicians get the time to impregnate so many woman?
A complicated personal life — with five children by three different women — is fine. But, surely, it takes a lot of time and energy to be properly involved in the lives of all these families and children.
My conclusion is that the Mayor’s job is probably not as onerous and demanding as we’ve been let to believe.
In fact, it looks as though Bozza has all the necessary skills to continue Ken’s work.
123. None of the other major campaigns need go near the story if the media covers it heavily of its own volition.
As it happens, I don’t really approve of this sort of media investigation - someone’s private life should remain private providing there’s nothing illegal there - but leaving that aside, all I will say is that it’s hardly courageous timing releasing it now.
A man named bolted thingy.
I was making a generalisation [previosly made with all the accompying discussion etc. etc.] and a JOKE - but not with you.
I was busy converting Tyson to a sect he thinks are not unlike the Moonies.
106
Remember Malcom, if a man isnt a leftie when he is 20, he has no heart. If he isnt a Conservative when he is 30, he has no head.
Why?
Malcolm
I though it was, if you aren’t a Socialist when you are young you have no heart. If you are still a Socialist when you are old, you have no brains.
So if you are still a Socialist, you have no brains, or are still young!
130
I’m not a Catholic. You don’t have to be a Catholic to work at our homelessness project.
Malcolm
137: That’s right. Everyone on the liberal left supported the Soviet Union. And the Nazis.
146 Young at heart. Academic as well.
Strange, me being so old.
Malcolm
145. Nope. I’m not going to explain it to you
147 Malcom does a lota work f’charridy.
144 Dont worry about it. Just helping out.
142 “Where do senior politicians get the time to impregnate so many woman?”
As a GLC Feminist will tell you, it is not about Sex, it is about Power.
153 I suspect it is more basic.
They don’t actually have very much to do. They have plenty of time on their hands.
136.”If Boris Johnson supproters really want to start talking private lives I really don’t think your own colourful candidate will appreciate it.
This election is about issues, issues and issues.”
I don’t even live in London, if you are not careful you will spin yourself into orbit tonight over this. Boris has already had the Sunday newspaper treatment for his behaviour, as have others. And lets not even mention the nasty negative tactics used by Ken and his chums towards his main rival.
Ken forgot to mention that he had three, yes THREE other children, that does shine a light on his honesty and integrity. Its up to the people of London to decide whether they are bovvered or not over the issue.
145. you’ll learn when you get a bit older, and a bit less racist.