Have Kellner and YouGov been vindicated?
May 2nd, 2008
The figures are in line with the final poll?
With the final result imminent it’s looking as though the final result will be in the region of a 6% margin for Boris Johnson - almost exactly in line with YouGov’s final poll that was reported exclusively here on Monday evening.
This will come as a great relief to the online pollster which has found itself a political issue in the campaign. Right from the point that the firm was reporting significant Johnson leads the Labour party, the Livingstone campaign and some prominent journalists have been attacking the YouGov approach.
Only on Wednesday the Livingstone campaign made a formal complaint to the Market Research about the firm’s methodology.
Right from the start I have put my faith in YouGov - solely on the grounds that the firm got it within one percent in 2004. In this business its form counts and this is what has guided my betting.
So if the final figures turn out as expected then the pollster might have got it right in two consecutive elections - a remarkable achievement.
For a whole series of reasons London has always been very difficult to poll and some firms have come a cropper here in the past.
If Kellner and his YouGov colleagues are opening the champagne tonight then they deserve it.
Mike Smithson
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Fair play to them.
Boris is going to win. He has won South West (won by Ken last time)by a big number:
Boris: 46.9%
Ken: 30.2%
The victory margin is 32k.
Its a sign of the squeeze on the Lib Dems that Paddick only gets 13% in the best area for them in this election.
After 11 seats:
Boris 804k
Ken 709k
Latest seat Croydon & Sutton.
It’s odd. I instinctively don’t like yougov’s methodology. But if they call the results right then that’s what counts.
It’s a bravura performance from Yougov. Both for the Mayoralty, and the Assembly.
Mike S. The final figures are likely to be much more than 6% !!
Well done You gov - I am sure the guardian and Polly Toynbee will be happy for you!
In West Central Boris strolls to a large win:
Boris: 54.8%
Ken: 28.6%
Victory margin of 43k for Boris
6 - Not sure I agree with you Jack, second prefs are difficult to factor in but 6% sounds right to me.
With the final result imminent
You sure about that Mike?
Boris now has a lead of almost 100,000 1st preference votes - this is over.
Boris = Obama on Acid
Ken = Clinton on Anti-depressants
I hope Livingstone APOLOGIES to YouGov profusely, and personally, to Mr. Kellner.
Post midnight so says Mrs Dale
I’m going to withhold judgement until we get the final result - because some of the numbers bandied about are well outside the MoE of the last poll due to being too high.
It might be a little picky, but recall that the pollsters were pretty bad in 1997 but no-one really picked them up on it due to getting the winner right.
7 - I imagine Michael White in particular will be fulsome in his praise for YouGov.
It would appear, the Lefties have been lying and Ken Livingstone has trying to use polls to influence the vote.
Why Ken does not concede?
Of the areas to declare, Boris should win in Merton & Wandsworth, Croydon & Sutton and Ealing & Hillingdon and Barnet & Camden. Ken will only take Lambeth & Southwark.
All constituencies reported according to the Guardian
16 Why should he? But it’s clear, Boris has won.
Rejoice. Simply rejoice.
16, He’s busy talking to Hugo Chavez about how to create an effective dictatorship….
11 I hope YouGov sues Livingstone and that biased twat SIR Michael White at the Guardian
BBC results coverage is now a disgrace. What a joke.
13. Fine. But Livingstone and his campaign have been slanderous and libellous to YouGov and Peter Kellner.
Thoroughly nasty man. So glad we’re shot of him.
And, ooh, another result in: Boris takes ‘Croydon and Sutton’ with a 35K majority…
19 I AM !
As expected Ken closes the gap in Lambeth & Southwark but the final three seats will strengthen Boris’s grasp:
Ken: 48.1%
Boris: 28.7%
Vote margin 32k in Ken’s favour
19 - We are a Grandmother?
17. See post 3 above.
Ken has won Lambeth. Boris has won Croydon.
3 seats o/s.
12. Off to bed I’ll go then.. thanks for passing that on.
[16] Same reason as Mugabe.
Expect them to cling to hanging chads, but this is over.
YES they have been vindicated.
And again, its worth remembering that they were the only pollster to show massive Tory leads in national polls and have been proved right here, too (24-44%)
Will Ken/Labour/Guardian now have the grace and humility to apologise to YouGov for all their smears?
23. Doh! Already done that..
Whoops! 3 left to come…
Final Boris margin?
Substantial.
22 - What do you mean ‘now a disgrace’? It hasn’t been anything other than since the get go.
22 - What do you mean ‘now a disgrace’? It hasn’t been anything other than since the get go.
Poor Left List, they tried so hard…
The prize for Party With Least Votes goes to Graham Dare of Veritas (!) with 510 votes (only stood in Barnet&Camden)
Congrats to YouGov - although I feel uncomfortable with the method, clearly they get the right answers so fair play. Looking like BoJo by 6% on 1st prefs, and a poor result for the Lib Dems - Paddick only getting 13% in South West. Labour seem to have done OKish on the Assembly votes though - instinct seems to say Ken got his vote out - which voted the list, but BoJo got the Tory voters in the burbs vote him not Ken. Clearly some more analysis to be done over the next few days but…
Oh, and big thanks to Mike (& Robert) for keeping the site going, and a great couple of betting calls.
Latest “best guesses” by those with access to the charts in City Hall is a lead of 8%.If true, then the other pollsters have a lot of explaining to do. Well done, YouGov.
I do hope those criticising yougov have the good grace to apologise. I’d serve a writ if I were them, but then i’m vindicitive!!!!;)
Any news on the percentage of first preferences that Boris got?
Another one about to come in…
Think it’s Merton and Wandsworth.
11 of 14 constituencies declared.
FIRST PREFERENCE VOTES:
Boris Johnson: 804, 439 42%
Ken Livingstone: 709, 929 37%
Brian Paddick: 187,158 10%
32/33 - well, they were at least updating it periodically last night and earlier today. Now they’re just not bothering at all.
39. Boris wins Merton.
Figures o/s.
36. 8% lead? Any idea what the respective shares are projected to be?
slightly OT, but if local election results in Crewe are neck and neck between Labour and Tories, does that suggest Labour are still ahead, taking into account the likely higher turnout in a by election, meaning Tories will need to squeeze LibDems to take the seat? When would we expect to see markets put up (after the funeral, I hope…)
40, Never mind. Way late, was posted ages ago on last thread
I see that the Labour share has increased since 2004 in almost all the Assembly seats. Why is this so different from the rest of the country? I guess the large increase in turnout says something, given that the election was high profile and clearly competitive (any indications for next GE turnout there?). Also, the LDs and some other parties have been heavily squeezed.
Sir Michael White doing the pape review on BBC soon, Wonder if he’ll say he was wrong.
Boris ahead 43% - 39% on first prefences after 10 results. As the next four should be Boris win’s the margin will widen and sink Ken.
I thnk the mayor’s last press release was potentially actionable. I know I would have never written anything like that.
Kellner says 6/7/maybe 8%, not exactly accurate seeing as the results are pretty much in.
I have a jam jar to collect money- 10 pences only please- to pay for Ken’s ticket to his holiday home in South America. Anyone feeling generous?
Boris wins in Merton. There’s a shock
Where is Ave it?
Boris takes a decent win in Barnet & Camden:
Boris: 45.3%
Ken: 35.4%
Boris won by 17k
Barnet
Boris 82k
Ken 64k
Barnet & Camden:
Boris - 45.29% 81,718
Ken - 35.42% 63,912
how did second prefs split last time>?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/may/02/london08.london1
Sorry, meant to put that in if anyone finds it useful.
52 Filing 100,000 spent Boris votes up Tyson’s a**e sideways hopefully..
Andy Cooke 40. The 8% estimate included the last 3 constituencies, which are believed to be heavily pro-Boris.
….Only Ealing and Hillingdon left now….
58. Sounds like a wipeout.
What would the markets give me on Ken to stand again in four years’ time?
Boris’ first and only term is a disaster. Cameron’s government is in mid-term meltdown.
Step forward the newtmeister who’ll receive the thanks of a grateful capital and the backing of opposition leader er….er..er….
Will Boris pass 1 million votes on first preference?
Hurrah- all rejoice. Just looking at the results I am back in a Tory free zone at OXFORD. The 2 muppet Tory defectors are out, and Lab are up 4.
Thank god I live in a place where there are no Tories skulking under the floor boards. I will sleep soundly tonight, very soundly.
Con 8 Lab 6 in FPP seats
Anyone know when the List results will be announced?
44. From one of the TV channels earlier, it suggested that there was a strong Tory lead in Crewe & Nantwich with the Lib Dems well back behind Labour. It didn’t give any figures.
May I ask a very nerdy question? Will we be able to see the ward-by-ward breakdown of the Mayoral vote? If so, when? Next week?
We have it from 2004 - it would be truly fascinating to look at this year’s.
46 - The anti-Iraq vote has entirely dissipated outtside those areas with high Muslim populations where RESPECT have embedded themselves. In addition, minor parties found it much more easier to gain coverage against the backdrop of an EP election and a less interesting Mayoral contest.
If the vote finished 52-48 on second preferences (which is just possible, but unlikely), then Ken could have just edged it without the 10p furore. But, basically, I think it was Jasper wot won it for Boris.
52- Ave it Oxford- Tories out, out, out.
You cannot believe just how happy I am to be living in a place without visible Tories. The shining end to a very dismal 5 days.
66 - Just after the first preferences.
Unofficial congratulations to Boris Johnson. Didn’t think he had it in him, but dammit, he did!
Wasn’t my choice (not that I had a vote) but I follow the Herblock policy: every customer gets a free shave.
That is, best luck to the winner. Because London is a fantastic city, and Londoners deserve the best mayor possible.
So I hope that Boris has it in him to not only be a winning candidate, but a winning mayor.
After 13 seats:
Boris 963k
Ken 834k
64. ….until I slip into your house in the small-hours and give your wife a damn good seeing to.
I know where you live.
(signed: Evil Tory)
After 13 seats:
Boris 43%
Ken 37%
Paddick 10%
62. Why dont you ask them.
Just waiting for Ealing & Hillingdon first preferences now…
68 - I think so yes, but not sure how long it will take.
70 You’re so tedious you make this Celtic supporter rejoice at Rangers’ penalty shoot out victory…
67. Con Home have the Crewe figures
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/goldlist/2008/05/and-now-lets-wi.html
Ken got 150,000 more votes than last time. It was a great election for London.
Goodnight Tyson.
Remember it’s all cyclical in the end!
The Tories need to secure one more Assembly member on the list or they’ll have to do grubby deals with someone when Boris’ budget comes around…
However we look at it, Ken has done well despite the odds.
77 - Boris 80k Ken 60k
It’s a personal victory for Ken. He leaves with his head held very high. But no-one can withstand a tide like last night.
All mayoral first preferences have now been declared. We could be moment from the offical result.
They will and they won’t……………
74- casino- if you come through my floor boards you have dig through one of the most famous post war Tories. And I am talking in metaphors
52 CR - I’m here! All good for Boris……..
Total 1st prefs:
Boris 1,043k
Ken 893k
All seats in.
Boris won over 1million votes on first preference. A truly awesome result for Boris.
67 In the 4 Crewe wards Conservatives shared the seats with Labour in 2 wards , Libems had 2 of the 3 seats in 1 ward and Labour won all 3 seats in the 4th . The Conservatives won all the seats in the 3 Nantwich wards except one which went to a Nantwich Independent .
Question: how long will it take before Boris Johnson emerges as either an opposing force, or even an outright rival, to David Cameron?
Possible answers range from 24 hrs to never.
Final - all seats in:
Boris 43%
Ken 37%
Paddick 10%
Boris effectively doubled what Shagger Norris got in first preferences in 2004. Impressive.
Does anyone know what the final 1st pref percentages were in the mayoral contest.
Anybody got the percentage of first prefs?
1 million plus… very impressive.
Final Constituency Results:
Conservative 926,818 - 38.47%
Labour 673,634 - 27.96%
Liberal Democrat 302,209 - 12.54%
Greens 190,546 - 7.91%
UKIP 70,887 - 2.94%
CPA 66,047 - 2.74%
National Front 41,374 - 1.72%
English Democrats 38,204 - 1.59%
Left List 30,688 - 1.27%
Tory v Labour seems to reflect national trends, poor results for the Lib Dems. The Greens hung on and sometimes increased their votes. UKIP is dead as we all know. CPA and National Front had a very good night… I would have thought 40,000 was the maximum NF could expect to get in a General Election.
Remind us how many came from Outer London David please ?
83. Should be enough to get ONE list seat.
91/92. WOW. That’s incredible.
89. It’s OK Tyson. She’ll throw me a key out the window.
82- of course canvasser- if there were not cycles we would live in a one party state. Good night comrade
95 - That can’t be right, it adds up to 100% and ignores all of the fringe candidates.
BTW, forgot to mention that I truly loved the “Men of Cameron” song from the previous thred - great stuff!
84 - Ken lost you muppet!
70 - Oxford is an interesting result. I live here and was expecting the loss of the two councillors the Tories gained from defections. Though, if I was Tyson and had his pathological fear of elected Conservative officials, I would be very concerned for next time round. Have a look at the ward breakdowns (they’re up on Oxford’s county council site) - the Tories are a LOT closer in several wards than I can remember in recent elections.
Quite a few Tory voters still in Oxford under the bed and behind the curtains for you to fear, Tyson.
The broad change in political representation in many university cities over the last couple of decades is noticeable and probably more or less fixed though.
I just rue the loss of the Oxford University MPs in the Commons…. bring back that tradition!
1st preference
Johnson 43%
Livingstone 37%
Paddick 10%
84. Ken is a unique politician and London will probably never see his like again. Whilst we celebrate the new era of Boris Johnson, I think itw worth remembering that a long political career is ending right now as well.
So long Ken.
The BBC have shown themselves up in a very poor light.
Their loyalty to Labour is admirable if misguided - but they are Turkeys provoking Christmas.
The BBC will be carved up and privatised. It will not be missed.
lol @ 104
Congratulations to Boris, by the way. To get over a million first prefs is truly impressive.
So…. 6% 1st preference lead, over 150,000 lead.
Nigh impossible to overturn on 2nd preferences.
I make it…. Livingstone needs 70% of all 2nd preferences to win.
90 - Ave it. I would be intrigued to know your views on the overall picture across the country now that all the results are in?!
Well Ken better not have won now or I have some seriously quick re-writing to do…
Can anyone make sense of this BBC table:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/elections/london/08/html/assembly.stm
“Conservative 8 Seats (Change -12)”
??!
“Labour - 6 Seats (Change -5)”
67,80,93. Many thanks. I think Iain Dale was suggesting earlier that things were much closer in C&N. Interesting.
106 There is no shame at all in contesting a democratic election and losing. I bet eight hundred thousand votes is more than you’ve ever got. Well done Ken. Well done Boris.
64 another pathetic Tyson post
102 - re: Casino Royale: the Tories will have to pray to the Gods of d’Hondt to deliver them the final piece in their jigsaw. I’m sure that will happen.
Marks out of ten for the candidates:
Boris - 9.5/10. Excellent effort so far. Drops a half point as against this sort of national backdrop he could have done even better.
Ken - 8/10. A fine performance given what Gordon’s dumped the Labour Party into. It’s a lot of votes he’s pulled out, but he probably could have won on first preferences without own goals like his handling of the Jasper issue.
Paddick - 3.5/10. Not a serious politician. Never in the game and 10% in an election where there are second preferences is a very poor result. To fail to get across the ‘no wasted votes’ message against two candidates with such big question marks was a massive missed opportunity.
Interesting, possibly coincidental polling fact. Between the 9th and 11th of April, there was a poll from Mori and YouGov.
YouGov had: 45, 39, 12
Mori had: 46, 40, 11
Statistically these are identical and both show Boris +6 ahead. Perhaps people have been slightly too quick to stress the differences between YouGov and Mori?
115 - it is showing a negative change for everyone because the list seats haven’t been included yet. Once they’re all in it will make sense.
108. Agreed. I may not like his policies or views, but Ken Livingstone is a remarkable politician, and I have always personally admired the manner which he conducts himself in public. I will not miss him but I will raise a glass to him as an astoundingly good politician.
100. A measly 3.5% swing across London for the Tories. Not so good….
More indicative of the true picture due to high turnout…
Here come the second prefs! Casino, welcome to the AV voting model!
117 - “There is no shame at all in contesting a democratic election and losing”
Who said there was, not I.
110 - Agree: but don’t rule out him standing in 2012. After all, Nicky Gavron or Tessa Jowell aren’t going to shift that many votes.
126. Mayoral swing is 8%.
128 So give the bugger a break, 800k is a reasonable vote!
95. Seeing they were mates at university, unlikely.
115. HAHAHAHA!!
Paddicks 2nd preferences are, apparantly, going 50/50 Boris/Ken.
So, Boris has WON. No question now.
123. I think where MORI went wrong was is doing private polling for UNISON. There was one time when the question they asked seemed to favour Ken and another poll where they got into trouble over those eligable to vote. MORI would look to be doing OK now, if they hadn’t done those two UNISON polls and allowed them to be made public.
114. nearer 80%
Declaration NOW!
Here it comes - Go BoJo!
Here goes
First Preferences:
Name_________YouGov_____Actual
Boris_________43_________43
Ken___________36_________37
Brian_________13_________10
Okay. That’s officially a great result for YouGov (technically the 3rd party is just outside the MoE, but third parties are always hard to predict). Getting the leader spot on and the lead to 1% - pop open the bubbly, Mr Kellner. You’ve earned it.
130 - Yes but that is more about the candidates than the parties, isn’t it? Both Ken and Boris inspired a lot of people to vote for and against them.
This is a phenominal result for YouGov - they said 43/36 in thier final poll vs 43/37 actual result - well done Peter Kellner
Results being announced officially live
130. nearer 6.75%
108- oxford lurker- welcome- what I love about this site- some very informed voyeurs watching from the outskirts.
A truly wonderful city. Oh well, I guess I can put up with a couple of Tory trouts being elected in the future…just, sortof, kindof..well maybe.
Kellner rocks
I think I’ve finally accepted Ken has lost. All credit to Boris and all the tory campaigners: a well run and successful campaign.
I think Ken had done well enough that, should he want to, he could stand again in 2012 and do better than most other labour members.
127. Elephantman.
I shall be delivering some Straws to your Zoo tomorrow morning to clutch onto!
Ken looks ready to cry
Second prefs split doesn’t sound right…
Poor old Ken
Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground.
1st Pref
Barnbrook BNP 69,710
Batten UKIP 22,422
Berry GRN 77,374
Craig CPA 39,249
German LL 16,796
Johnson CON 1,043,761
Livingstone LAB 893,877
McKenzie IND 5,389
O’Connor END 10,695
Paddick LD 236,685
148 Good. Now he know how we’ve felt for the past 8 years Woody.
139 - Is the MOE not 3%, or is it less?
One million votes for Boris is a fantastic personal endorsment!
What Channel is the best one to watch this glorious sh1t on…
Sky still the business?
After 2nd pref
Johnson CON 124,977 (total) 1,168,738
Livingstone LAB 135,089 (total) 1,028,966
152. True
British Nazi Party mayoral prefs all in 1 - 3.5% region, except for City and East and Havering and Redbridge.
Would suggest that a top-up seat is unlikely.
3500 comments today up to and including 153.
Boris wins by 139,772 votes
BORIS
Well done the blue peril
Boris - 53.2%
Ken - 46.8%
Majority - 6.4%
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/london_mayor/article1120129.ece
It’s all over. Congratulations to people who made money. And to both Boris and Ken.
I think Jack W needs to recalibrate his ARSE!
See Boris’s hair is back to normal
No one else for Labour would have got this close. Bloody goood effort Ken.
***BORIS WINS*** ***BORIS WINS*** ***BORIS WINS*** ***BORIS WINS***
Final vote after redistribution:
Street parties tomorrow. What a great weekend it will be!
Boris Wins - Wooo Hooo
Wonderful news.
Jack W’s ARSE clearly leans to the right!
Very gracious speech from Boris.
158 I hope you are right……………
Still fear this is where the protest votes cut in personally
143. Final vote inc 2nd prefs - swing is 8%.
Ken 55, Norris 45
Boris 53, Ken 47
Well done Ken. Respect.
I know sour grapes- but Boris isn’t fit to clean his boots
Boris is bigging up Ken quite nicely.
Yougov were spot on. Kellner is vindicated. Bloody good on him.
This is very good speech by Boris. Very generous and gracious
Nice speech by Boris - graceful and effective.
2nd pref. %:
Johnson 53.18%
c
Livingstone 46.82%
Oh My god Boris is truly excruciating. Ken must be wincing
When’s the exit date market opening up?
Well done everyone who made money. Not particularly a fan of either candidate (Not that I’m a Londoner) but this will certainly be interesting if nothing else.
Come on Tyson, you have to admit that’s a pretty classy acceptance speech by Boris.
2nd prefs made almost no difference at all.
Lead on 1st prefs = 150,000
Final Lead inc 2nd prefs = 140,000
175 Hear Hear, Boris is spot on giving Ken respect. There would be no London Mayor without Ken Livingstone.
Good speech by Boris, hit the right tone there.
Now Ken is free. And he’s said he has no other political ambitions. Does this mean the loose cannon can… erm… cut loose?
43% Boris 1st Preferences. Oh yes!!
“My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings,
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!”
Herumpph! Perhaps a tad undeservedly hyperbolic there in my own personal tribute.
Seriously. If these figures are correct then it is a great call by Peter Kellner and YouGov, which was flagged up excellently yesterday by Andy Cooke, I think. Well done and thanks to both.
I love Boris. Bless his crumpled cotton socks.
he’s rolling back the tears
Ken for the guest presenter slot on HIGNFY next week?
Elephantman - I sincerely hope you took our advice, it isn’t nice seeing someone throw their money away as you suggested.
I agree with Tyson! But I guess Boris must be pretty whacked.
#179 Oh dear god Tyson, must you be so insufferable?
as am i
Second Preferences:
Name_________YouGov_____Actual
Boris________53_________53.2
Ken__________47_________46.8
Okay. With the first preferences as well, I am seriously impressed. That really was an eve-of-election poll you could take to the bank.
There will be some serious partying at YouGov tonight, I’d guess,
Well done Boris and well done to everyone who worked to get him elected.
bye bye Ken - great street-fighter with loathsome politics - no other Labour candidate would have got anything like this sort of support.
A deliriously happy weekend follows !!
Excellent speech by Boris, Ken is droning on a little though.
Ken hit the right note. Well done Ken.
Tyson. Boris was brilliant in his speech. My non politcal husband thought he was cracking.
[174] I know sour grapes- but Boris isn’t fit to clean his boots
You meant the other way around.
Boris is Mayor of London. Livingstench is sacked.
Whither MORI?
That speech from Boris - Oh lordy. He needs some very good handlers.
Excellent speech by Ken. I’m so gutted (but I’m not going to cry)
Ken- the master- shows how it should be done. Perhaps the best Labour politician of his generation- Blair included. A bit mean on Boris, but really he is not in Ken’s class. But how many people are? Heseltine, Thatcher- all I can think of.
Good from Ken as well.
Well, that’s my point blown to pieces - Ken aint gonna attack Gordon..
[179] Ken must be wincing
No but his sphincter probably is.
ymca is on
204 - now isn’t the time for that kind of behaviour, Matt! I’m sure all the candidates are absolutely shattered. Save the vitriol for another day!
Interesting role reversal. Lefties slagging off the elected politician while Tories defend. Signs of times ot come I hope.
Both Ken and Boris speeches dead on the money. Reading (slightly) between the lines it sounds like Boris offered Ken a job, and he took it.
We live in interesting times
Ken on the brink of breaking up. Kudos to him. Boris slightly too self-deprecating, but he will adapt.
204 Not tonight for sure..
The contest is over guys. Can’t hostilities be put aside (for a few minutes at least) While we say well done to Boris and adios Ken?
200. No he doesn’t. You still don’t get it.
Boris deserves this. Things are changing. We are on our way back.
207. Haha! Well, just an observation
186, stjohn. You’re welcome - Kellner did all the heavy lifting, I just crunched some numbers for the probability distribution. And you staked the cash.
Very impressed with how the final figures for Ken and Boris on first and second preferences were right in the high probability areas - it does seem that YouGov got their weightings and sampling spot on.
Ken the last white working class mayor to ever run London. Bye bye to the white man.
Ken for mayor 2012! Tories out out out.
Had to be the first to revive the old phrases.
144 - On that we can certainly agree Tyson; Oxford’s a lovely city, and I can’t imagine leaving it any time soon. I tried that once some years ago, after graduating, and quickly scurried back after just a year away.
But back to England’s second(!) city, London, good speeches from both Boris & Ken. Boris possibly hinting at jobs of some flavour for both Ken an