Republican Convention may be postponed
August 30th, 2008I’m at Denver International Ariport, and have just met up with an Executive Producer of a large corporate news channel. In the course of our conversation, he intimated (and said I could publish on condition of anonymity) that there is a reasonably strong chance that the Republican National Convention due to begin in Minneapolis-St-Paul, MN, next week might be postponed.
Apparently, some members of the McCain campaign and the RNC are concerned that, after the criticism over Hurrican Katrina and FEMA’s role in dealing with it, that TV pictures of the Republican Convention delegates eating canapes and drinking champagne whilst New Orleans is under mandatory evacuation from the Tropical Storm Gustav (to be instigated by the Mayor if it becomes a hurricane), might be suicidal to their chances in November.
How this might affect the unveiling of Sarah Palin to the nation, and the impact this could have on the General Election, I don’t know. This is by no means certain to happen, but it is apparently being discussed by the RNC, even at this late stage.
NOTE: I am on free wifi at the airport, so am having trouble accessing the comments - either to post or to moderate. Please be patient - I will be back in the UK tomorrow afternoon, and will be much more responsive than I have been. Many thanks.
Morus
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When you get back to the big smoke, look out for falling bodies Morus. Ouyr dear Chanellor has decided to let the cat out of the bag and inform us that we’re all doomed!
On Topic, Katrina was a very unique situation. I’m confident Gustav won’t be as bad as that.
Funny that, i watched the reported path of the hurricane and thought that hitting in convention season might be nasty.
Such a rumour wouldnt be without substance but that depends on things being as bad as they could be on the weather front, and they may not. We’ll know soon.
The Republican’s problem is that if the do postpone for Gustav, then what do they do the following week if Tropical Storm -> Hurricane Hannah looks like doing the same?
There is a real possibiity that New Orleans could again be devaststed by Gustav; in which case, they may as well not bother holding it all. It would effectively signal the death knell for one of America’s great cities - lost on the watch of McCain’s party.
3- You can’t just have to Convention whenever, so this is a huge problem. If it doesn’t happen next week (maybe a one or two day delay at most), I have no idea how it can be done.
Surely postponing it simply because it won’t look good won’t exactly brush the issue under the carpet.
Gustav is currently due for landfall on Monday night:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/205016.shtml?5day
3. Have you been? Great city my arse. Its remarkably unimpressive and more hype than substance.
As for Bourbon Street, smells of shite.
Not that I’d want it wiped obviously, but great? I have no idea how it got the reputation.
458 from previous thread- “Does Stars and Stripes really believe that McCain will win?”
When did I say he would?
I have said many times that Obama would win.
That’s a huge story Morus if true!
Back to the last thread..
Stars & Stripes: So your money is on Obama? My point was that I can’t recall you ever saying anything positive about the Obama campaign (and I’d say the same about ukpaul re the McCain campaign). For me it therefore devalues your comments when it comes to making decisions about where to put my money.
Weathercock: Yeah, Labour are useless but the Tories won’t win by 200+ seats.
ChrisD: i didn’t really understand your point. But it’s late. And I’m slightly drunk.
6 - Yes, you have. He’s going on the assumption that because you are a non-believer in the total awesomeness of Obama you must be mad.
I’ve checked the wires and a few places are running with this, so I have taken down ‘PB.com exclusive’.
Unless the storm dissipates, I think the Republicans are now damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
If this becomes a hurricane (therefore a mandatory evacuation) It will look especially heartless to go ahead having considered cancelling - they can’t say “we didn’t realise it could get that bad.’
So if it’s a hurricane, they politically should postpone having considered it, which will be bad in unveiling Palin.
As someone has mentioned, if they postpone, then how about Tropical Storm Hannah - how late can they hold the Convention?
My battery is almost dead, and wifi is slow (though I think every airport should have free wifi - it is so useful given the dead time waiting for flights). I’ll be back tomorrow afternoon.
7- I have said many times that Obama’s money dwarfs McCain’s and the stars are all aligned for Democratic victory this year, not least because the GOP brand is more worthless than at any time since Watergate and there is an unpopular war effort being waged in Iraq, not to mention the natural desire for a new party to occupy the White House after eight years. But I won’t just sit around and whistle Dixie when nonsense is being bandied about, even if it would support my predicted winner in this race. And I never bet money on anything, so my money is on nobody. If I were a betting man though, my money would indeed be on Obama.
If they are openly discussing it within the McCain camp, it must be a real probability now rather than a rumour?
I remember watching Hurricane Katrina and the disaster unfold on TV with growing anger, if an ordinary person like me could see how bad it was going to be, how the hell did the Bush administration get the response so badly wrong?
For all the creationists meeting in St Paul.
I am God and I smite thee.
9- This topic was already discussed one or two threads ago, but your news certainly does add useful information and makes the unthinkable seem much more likely. If the GOP can’t have it’s convention next week, they’ll be screwed. You can just reassemble thousands of people from all over the country at the drop of a hat.
7.”ChrisD: i didn’t really understand your point. But it’s late. And I’m slightly drunk.”
Stickers, go back and read your post again tomorrow in the cold light of day without the booze. Don’t worry, I suspect far too many of us have cringed the next day when the alcohol fumes have cleared and the hangover has set in.
6. Apologies s&s. I must have missed the posts when you stated that Obama would win. Out of interest, how did you rate his speech last night?
8- I guess so, David. It’s unfortunate that I’m being chastised for being blindly partisan when it is apparently my accuser’s preconceptions that are causing him to falsely portray me in the first place.
7 - Stickers - my reply from last thread
“458 - I fully believe that Obama is running the better campaign, I also fully believe that he will win, unless events derail what is the current trajectory.
This is because I spend time looking at polls and the overall EV situation, as such the more important layer beyond my personal view is regarding what looks *likely*. S&S does the same, he says what he wants and then says what he thinks will happen (in his case he also thinks Obama will win so there is a convergence of our views there too).
Readers of this blog will know that supporting a particular politician is very unusual for me, as my posts on UK politics are mostly in despair at each party and most politicians.
I hope that my UK posts, where I am positive about Cameron, Osbourne and co., put my US ones into perspective. I don’t just support a particular ideology.”
Also, I was very positive about McCain during the primaries, until he started acting from the Rove playbook I hoped that he would live up to this promise. He hasn’t, and that is this elections greatest tragedy. When someone goes negative first then I will always turn on them, it’s just the way that I view politics. It’s why I hate much of the labour team with a passion (Crewe was just disgusting and I’m glad they were humiliated).
“I’m at Denver International Ariport, and have just met up with an Executive Producer of a large corporate news channel. In the course of our conversation, he intimated (and said I could publish on condition of anonymity) that there is a reasonably strong chance that the Republican National Convention due to begin in Minneapolis-St-Paul, MN, next week might be postponed.”
Hate to burst your bubble, but this same story appeared in my Seattle Times this AM. So no need for anonymity!
14. I’m only “slightly” drunk
I can only think of one partisan post I made in the last couple of weeks and that was more having a rant at a crap Scottish newspaper. I try to leave emotions and political beliefs to one side when I’m betting.
15- Apologies accepted. I didn’t have a chance to watch all of it, but I found it to be very good without being something extraordinary. I still maintain that Bill Clinton was a better orator. I always said that if you put all knowledge out of your head and just listened to Bill Clinton speak, you had to like him. He was able to win me over on a personal level and make me like him when I allowed him to do it… a very rare skill. I just don’t feel this sort of connection from Obama. He never captivates or moves me the way Clinton could do. A good speaker in a technical sense, yes, but lacking that sort of “magic” that makes a truly outstanding orator.
Whole “postpone the GOP convention” schtick has Rove written all over it.
Republicans fear that audience for their clambake will be way down compared to Democrats. Why? Because of lack of drama and McC’s charisma deficiet.
So dragging in Gustav is typical cheap ploy.
O/T but I can’t contain myself before turning in for the night.
I just read the interview with Darling in the Guardian. Absolute dynamite, not just in his admission of the seriousness of the situation but also in the bumbling incompetence it reveals at the heart of government.
He comes across as a complete buffoon, an innocent, Captain Mainwaring in a nuclear age. Given the intellectual resources of the Treasury and the huge increase in spending on government advisors and where does he learn about the credit crunch…… from the FT.
‘…He can clearly recall the day last summer when alarm bells first began to sound. The chancellor was on holiday with his wife and their two teenage children in Majorca. “I remember I picked up the FT in the supermarket, as you do, and it had the European central bank starting to put money into the economy. I phoned the office to ask why they were doing quite so much. It didn’t surprise me that money was going in - there was concern going around - but it was the sheer scale of it. I said, what about our institutions? This was when Northern Rock started to figure.”
If I ever had any confidence in this man and the government in which he is a leading member, it has now vanished.
15- To elaborate a bit on that Clinton “magic”: Obama always comes across to me as a highly gifted speaker in a professorial sense, or in a technical sense; even a moot court sense. But Bill Clinton could exude humanity, simplicity, warmth, and humor. He could almost reach out to you as an individual with his words and make you feel as if he was speaking to you, making a connection with you. This human touch may have been contrived, but it seemed real and it worked. It was almost as if he was stepping down from the intellectual perch he otherwise occupied to be a real guy, somebody you could talk to and even relate to. Obama just doesn’t have that quality.
15 - Do I get an apology too.
As a lib Dem I also never say that they will sweep the board and can form a government (I think that losses are inevitable in tory seats and some labour seats will be a compensation of sorts).
On the other hand, Obama has led in polls for months, he has a spending advantage and the signs are all for him, I’m not stupid enough to say McCain will win and bet my money away just so people will think differently of me or something!
17 / 20. S&S / UKP. Thanks for taking the time to explain your positions. It’s appreciated. I felt it was becoming a bit too much of “Your guy is crap”, “No your guy is crapper” over the last few days.
ChrisD. I still don’t get you mate
Time for bed but it’s been a great betting day.
The momemntous nature of Darling’s comments is only now sinking in.
Wow. Just - wow. Is the Badger of Doom sitting back and going - “Did I really say that out loud?” Things cannot stay the same after this. It couldn’t possiby have been cleared by Number 10. He must have known that this will cause an almighty stink.
The starting pistol has been fired for Gordon’s political demise.
BTW out here in WA State, GOP gubernatorial candidate Dino Rossi ran a one-time commerical which said (paraphrasing but not much):
“The Democrats are right about one thing: we need change.” Then talked about need to change state government in Olympia.
Votes are still being counted from last week’s Washington Primary. But highlights so far:
1. Democratic Gov. Christine Gregoire less than 2% of GOP challenger Dino Rossi statewide.
2. BUT turnout for August primary pathetic in King County (Seattle & burbs) where Gregoire is getting 60%. Two reasons for this:
a) first time presidential year primary was scheduled for August instead of September; King is rich, urban county and greater proportion of voters take vacations during dog days of August
b) King and Pierce Co (where turnout was also very low) are only two counties in state that are NOT all vote-by-mail
C. In November, turnout will NOT be significantly lower in King than other counties. Which is very good news for Gregoire and other Democrats.
we will
28 - Will we?
“14. I’m only “slightly” drunk
I can only think of one partisan post I made in the last couple of weeks and that was more having a rant at a crap Scottish newspaper. I try to leave emotions and political beliefs to one side when I’m betting.”
Stickers, only one?…I am trying to think of how many betting posts you have made in recent weeks?
25.stickers, don’t worry about it.
Darling has bent Brown over the cabinet table and shafted him!
Brown is finished after this metopherical rape of Brown’s record.
I’ve been watching large extracts of Obama’s speech, and if you separate it from the extraordinary sense of occasion, I’m not sure it’s that good: it doesn’t seem to have a natural flow, more “and here’s another thing!” and “here are five more things!” Maybe if you hear the whole thing it’s different? But I wonder if he was trying too hard to tone down the flights of rhetorical passion which come naturally to him.
I must admit I don’t think Bill Clinton is that brilliant a speaker either, and Hillary, much though I like her politics, seems downright pedestrian most of the time. Perhaps it’s just me, or some transatlantic thing - I can think of several British speakers (Tony Blair being the obvious example, but so is William Hague) who seem to me more fluent and able to structure an hour-long speech in a way that listeners can follow.
I think we might be in for a very rocky few days
The Treasury has put out a statement standing by everything the Chancellor said
Perhaps we are nearing a Howe moment…
33. Yes i would agree with you there! Blair, Cameron and Hague knock spots off the US politicians i have seen!
33. I never understood the claims about his oratory either, but I didn’t comment as I thought it could just have been my bias against his politics. On reflection, I think he has charisma rather than speaking ability. He represents an attitude which is very appealing to people and that’s reflected in his delivery and his manner.
To clarify my position on the US election: I am not convinced that either candidate has what it takes to offer the leadership needed right now. Both, however, are immensely preferable to Bush. As a boring old cynic, I’m somewhat sceptical of ‘Obamamania,’ but at the same time deeply worried about the idea of a President McCain.
So I’m not subscribing to either of them at the moment. I’m just commenting as I see fit, giving credit where I personally think credit’s due. Hand on heart, I think the election is going to be another close one (a la 2000 and 2004), and I wouldn’t like to call it. Whilst Obama *should* theoretically win, my personal view is that you undermine John McCain at your peril.
33. Just out of interest and I know you are a Loyalist so it may not be relivant but did Blair ever persuade you, when you may have had doubts with his rhetorical skills?
33- I think the art of rhetoric on your side of the ocean is a completely different animal! I’ve watched House of Commons debates on television and the internet many times and can tell you no such thing ever exists here, no will it ever. We just don’t speak or debate in the same way. Maybe Obama would be the greatest orator ever in the history of the UK, but he just doesn’t connect in the same way as Clinton did. I have no use for either Clinton or Obama politically, so I’m not saying this out of partisan motivation. I can only tell you that, like Frank Sinatra as a singer, Clinton could manifest a certain charm to him that made you warm to him no matter what he was saying. It’s a sort of imperfection that makes the product more perfect, if you will. Obama is too polished, too perfect, and thus lacking in that certain human charm that Bill Clinton had mastered.
US Presidential candidates always = Bag of Bollocks!
33. Americans have never been known as the greatest orators (I don’t think the accent lends itself to fluid speech); good US politicians tend to ooze ‘charm’ rather than rhetorical brilliance.
Obama is unquestionably a great orator, though.
Here’s today’s Sun take on the race
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/the_real_american_idol/article1627455.ece
O/T Ref The Chancellors comments -Looking on The Guardian website it`s worst than I thought -appears to me that Darling might be inviting Brown to sack him despite his protestations to the contrary - in fact if what is been reported is true and Darling really did say what he is been quoted as then Brown is been left with little choice - if Darling walks then Milliband and Straw will certainly go in sympathy and then Browns position immediately looks intenable - looks like an assasination job to me …
39. I think Obama’s problem is that he thinks he is the special one, whereas Bill Clinton is said to make others feel they are the special one. Blair was like that too - so people say! I have only ever seen him on the telly or from a distance. Although i did see him take particular care of David Blunkett and his dog at PMQ’s once, he was very tactile and make a fuss of Blunkett(I am a bit synical and thought - maybe he is putting it on and did not give a shit!).
As South Park says you always have the choice between a douche and a turd sandwich.
26.”The momemntous nature of Darling’s comments is only now sinking in.”
MM, so its not just me. I posted a comment about the significance of Darlings interview just after Morus put the new thread up.
“Darling spends two days (two days!) with a Guardian journalist on the Isle of Lewis, and then calmly announces that “we might be facing arguably the worst” economic downturn in 60 years which will be “more profound and long-lasting” than people had expected”
That flies in the face of everything that Brown and Darling have been saying over the last few months. Reading about the Bradford&Bingley’s troubles, just how bad are things with UKplc?
Is Brown losing touch with the reality of the situation?”
I really do wonder about the timing of this interview just before the big relaunch and rescue package heavily briefed by Brown.
It undermines all Brown’s public statements about the state of our economy and his time scale for a recovery. Its going to overshadow everything planned by Brown this week?
All reports recently indicate that the Treasury knew nothing about Brown’s financial package to be included in his relaunch, you have to wonder what the Treasury mandarins are telling Darling and how difficult it is for anyone to sit down and explain it all to Gordon?
45.
I believe the government has at last realised that saying everything is fine, inflation is low, the economy is in good shape to survive the storms, is just damaging their credibility.
Or rather it has destroyed their credibility.
So a policy of greater honesty was decreed.
But I fear Darling has spoken far more honestly than was intended. Indeed, he has moved from minimising the problem to magnifying it into panic dimensions. Sort of moved so fast that he has gone through to the other side of that political dimension.
Unless they have a miracle cure then the end is nigh as who will ever believe them again when one day they tell us that everything will be alright and the next the end of the world is upon us?
Whatever ulterior motive he had Darling has simply made things worse. Perhaps he has a suicidal urge to rip the invisible clothes off the emperor and then tear them to shreds.
Without his economic record what is Brown but a grumpy, phone killing, depressive who lives in his own little world of wonder?
44 . Love that last sentence …
26
Quite. Re-posted comment from last thread
Those contraversial comments by Darling come from “an interview conducted over two days at his family croft on the Isle of Lewis”.
I wonder why Darling would want to spend two days of his holiday with his family in the Outer Hebrides talking to a Guardian journalist?
34.”The Treasury has put out a statement standing by everything the Chancellor said”
Simon have you a link?
I ask again, “you have to wonder what the Treasury mandarins are telling Darling and how difficult it is for anyone to sit down and explain it all to Gordon?”
50.Have you ever spent a couple of days up there.
49. Yes - but we know the nature of the beast!
That original Guardian article appears to be the appetiser for the full article from Decca Aitkenhead.
Here is the full interview. Storm warning
Guido has the link as well as George Osborne’s response.
“Who is telling the truth at the top of Government? The Prime Minister says the economic situation isn’t as bad people think and that Britain is well placed to weather the economic storm, but the Chancellor says we are at a 60 year low. Gordon Brown has briefed out stories that he has an economic recovery plan all worked out, meanwhile the Chancellor says the downturn will be more profound and long-lasting than people thought.”
43. On what do you base your assertion that “Milliband and Straw will certainly go in sympathy” ?
On topic, if the Republicans push the conference back a week they close it on 9/11. They could get some mileage out of that, surely?
Also, anyone know what the financial implications would be? Will postponing the convention mean McCain is broke for a while because he’s spent all his primary money, and can’t spend the general election money yet? Will it be a plus for McCain because he doesn’t have to make his general election money last as long?
PS: They said God would send torrential rains to smite a political convention, and they were right:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/politics/17166715/detail.html
55. On the otherhand maybe McCain will have cut Obama’s bounca and if they are within a few points and then McCain has the convention it could unsettle things?
I have stumbled upon another resource which i have looked at previously i think it is good because it puts the polls onto a state and holistic race viewpoint:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
McCain has the convention it could unsettle things?
Bt that i mean a bounce closer to the election maybe worth more than a bounce next week.
56 - A convention costs about $50 million. For security equipement from Federal Grants etc, that money would not need to be spent again. I reckon the financial damage would be $20m max, and probably closer to $10.
Darling Shouted at while filling up his own car, by a wine waiter also warned him from ordering a second bottle of wine during a restaurant meal. He also critised amung others the Alexander axis, calling former Scottish leader Wendy Alexander “not likeable at all” and Cherie Blair’s memoirs “awful.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/08/30/cncrisis130.xml
Darling Shouted at while filling up his own car, on another occasion by a wine waiter who also warned him from ordering a second bottle of wine during a restaurant meal.
Darling also critised amung others the Alexander axis, calling former Scottish leader Wendy Alexander “not likeable at all” and Cherie Blair’s memoirs “awful.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/08/30/cncrisis130.xml
60 if brown sacks him it’ll be a howe/thatcher moment, if he lets him get away with it, brown’ll just look weaker and weaker.
411. National Government? I remember laughing at the TV in 2001 when Clarissa Dixon-Wright demanded that there must be a coalition government in order to deal with the Foot & Mouth crisis.
Maybe Michael Palin will play John McCain in the film, ha ha ha.
Shurely postponing the Convention would mean mucking up the plans of thousands of delegates and their hotel bookings and their airplane flights and taking a week off their jobs and stuff? They can’t just delay it all by one week and change all those arrangements to fit.
Gordon Brown is said to be deeply concerned about the Darling threat:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3076/2804900687_69a6c3b85a_o.jpg
65. They could still have the gathering but not bother with all the other shit like speeches by McCain - He can deffer that.
CNN reporting that they’ve had over 6000 emails in an hour about Palin, the vast majority saying she’s a bad choice.
68.
So what?
It makes me laugh some of the d1ldos who waste there time claiming to be vetran republican or Democrat voters who have suddenly changed there mind! If you are taken in by that - you are taken in by anything!
69. Maybe so, but lots are Clinton supporters who are saying it’s a pathetic ploy, and that she is no Hillary. Saying that they don’t want to make those “6 million cracks” and have a pro-gun / pro-life right winger to be the first women in the whitehouse.
Also I have noticed, Palin has an awful sounding voice, it realy grates me, don’t know what the rest of you think.
69. Maybe so, but lots are Clinton supporters who are saying it’s a pathetic ploy, and that she is no Hillary. Saying that they didn’t make those “16 million cracks” and have a pro-gun / pro-life right winger to be the first women in the whitehouse.
Also I have noticed, Palin has an awful sounding voice, it realy grates me, don’t know what the rest of you think.
70. Her voice is alright, the thing with the number of women voters is that it does not matter whether it is just 500,000 voters who defect straight actoss and 1,000,000 that stay at home for instance.
It’s the fact that some invariable will and others will split-ticket vote. It is not clear-cut that some feminists cannot also be pro-lifers. People have alsorts of strange views. In this country I am by enlarge on the tory side of the debate but I am a Passive Rupublican - that is i believe in a democraticly elected head of state rather than one annoited by birth.
It sounds boring, crude and ineffective to besmirche someone as the Dems. are doing. Interestingly the Dems. may well be helping to fire up the Republican base for McCain. Sometimes the left can be so stupid or too clever by half!
I shouldn’t worry about the Convention. If the worst happens they can just go fishin’…
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5994/bushvacas2pu.jpg
re 72. Palin’s voice? My wife simply could not cope with listening to her statement yesterday because it was so grating on her ears.
Sky going big on the Darling article in the Guardian, the newspaper is enjoying their moment in the limelight. Its really worth reading the whole interview by the original journalist in the link I posted@54.
It appears that Darling gave this interview 10 days ago, it still undermines Brown’s position, and really emphasises how out of touch these two have become in recent weeks. Apparently the Brown camp are extremely unamused by the timing of the publication of the interview.
On McCain’s choice of Palin, still think it was an inspired choice in the short term, but not so sure about the longer term with women voters. She is being sold on Fox news as a politician against corruption rather than a partisan politician. I have just been watching Fox news, still cannot comprehend having a whole news channel that partisan. I know we have C4 news, but its only on for an hour during the week.
But the idea that she is being sold as the Old American mom kind of grates with me, if any of you watch Desperate Housewives, think Bree - the too perfect over the top mom and housewife with the added twist of being a gun loving neocon.
75. But does your wife have a vote, Mike?
Most American accents, except old New England (and Canadian) grate on my ears, but der agen, oo am I te tawk?
75.Mike, I am with your wife on that point.
77.Rod, more than a few watch Desperate housewives though.
76.That should be all not old American mom.
What’s wrong with her voice? It’s a bit high-pitched but I can’t see it as a vote loser. Are you one of the people who derided one of the best speech-makers in England over his Yorkshire accent?
New thread on Darling
81.David, and I say this a bit tongue in cheek, could it be a case of men are from Mars and women are from Venus?
Just maybe women might go for the detail while men check out the scenery?
I know its a bit catty, but I remember enjoying the fact that some women I met years ago who looked like a super model spoke like Janet Street Porter.
76.”But the idea that she is being sold as the Old American mom kind of grates with me, if any of you watch Desperate Housewives, think Bree - the too perfect over the top mom and housewife with the added twist of being a gun loving neocon.”
OMG, if you have never watched Desperate Housewives check out a clip of Bree if you can found one on Youtube and compare her voice to that of Palin!!
re 81. It’s not Palin’s accent that is the problem but her terrible diction. She needs training.
A good voice that people like listening to is a critical political tool. It’s one reason why Cameron will always come over better than Brown whatever they are saying. Blair had a great voice as does John Reid.
73. Rod that was funny!
- Sorry i went to bed and only just seen it! Very good!
“It sounds boring, crude and ineffective to besmirche someone as the Dems. are doing. ”
The irony of that comment is absolutely staggering.
Totally out of touch with reality.
81 - Sun reporter in ‘likes foxy politician’ shock.